Paul Hackett USMC Res, American, Democrat

[FromWayDowntown]

One thing sets my alarms off though...if he was against the Iraq war in the first place, then why did he volunteer to go over there....that sounds exactly like something a lawyer would do for public image reasons, I wonder what he did when he was over there.

Maybe he went because he was a member of the military at the time that we declared war and was called up for service. If that's the case (and I suspect it is), he didn't go to Iraq for public image reasons (or because he is a lawyer). He went to Iraq because that was what he agreed to do. He may not have supported the war in Iraq, but at least he put his personal political beliefs aside long enough to do the job he had sworn to do. My goodness, do you just jump to any readily-available negative assumption available about people?

[whottt]

Be sure that you paint with the broadest brush you possibly can there, whottt.

I'm just guessing, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of PI attorneys that you know is relatively small. While I'll certainly admit that there are a number of PI lawyers who have no real interest in justice for anyone, there are substantially more who honestly pursue efforts to remedy what are often tragic injuries to entirely innocent people -- injuries caused by negligence and faulty products. If that's a s my thing to do in our society, then there really is something wrong.

If you really want to discuss your broad-based view of attorneys, I'd be perfectly willing to meet your every argument. If you'd rather just throw bombs and not substantiate anything that you say, so be it. Being a member of the profession that you are so quick to castigate, I can readily assure you that most lawyers who I encounter in my day-to-day dealings are extremely concerned about doing the right things and protecting the rule of law. Speaking for those attorneys that I know and practice alongside, we are all very proud of what we do, even if some in society refuse to see the many benefits of our work.

And you'd be wrong about that.

I worked for one for the past 4 years up until about 2 months ago, actually I worked for about 4 of them....But the main one...I rain bail bonds for him, I chased bondjumpers for him...I served supponeas. I was court aide at times, tech support on the office computers at others, 24 hour answering service for the entire time...and since he also had political aspirations...I helped run his election campaign when he was running for judge. I helped his preferred judges with their election campaigns(I know). I know a lot of attorneys, PI and otherwise, I also know a lot of politicians that were attorneys. I also know a lot of judges too.


We can debate it all we want but I spent 4 years up to my elbows in lawyers, politicians, and judges...and I had my fill of it. I did not meet one ing person I respected in that entire time.

Matter of fact...I was pretty much a Democrat for most of my life until I worked for this Democrat attorney...

Not only did it forever alter my opinion on attorneys...it forever altered my opinon on Democratic politicans as well. I mean I know all politicans are corrupt to an extent...but the Republicans are a of a lot more transparent and prinicpled in their corruption. That doesn't mean I am a Republican...but I am very wary of Democratic politicians now...especially the lawyers. Trotting Michael Moore out there and nominating John Kerry as your candidate add quite a bit to my anxiety and distrust of this party.

[SWC Bonfire]

but the Republicans are a of a lot more transparent and prinicpled in their corruption.

[FromWayDowntown]

And you'd be wrong about that.

I worked for one for the past 4 years up until about 2 months ago, actually I worked for about 4 of them....But the main one...I rain bail bonds for him, I chased bondjumpers for him...I served supponeas. I was court aide at times, tech support on the office computers at others, 24 hour answering service for the entire time...and since he also had political aspirations...I helped run his election campaign when he was running for judge. I helped his preferred judges with their election campaigns(I know). I know a lot of attorneys, PI and otherwise, I also know a lot of politicians that were attorneys. I also know a lot of judges too.


We can debate it all we want but I spent 4 years up to my elbows in lawyers, politicians, and judges...and I had my fill of it. I did not meet one ing person I respected in that entire time.

That's really too bad. You missed out on meeting a great number of wonderfully-intentioned, morally-rich, altruistic people. It's too bad for you that you can assume that everyone you met in a single practice that was dominated by politics more than law is representative of every lawyer everywhere. If it would make any difference, I'd invite you to spend a day with me and see the people that I see, but since you've become entrenched in your position based on those limited experiences, I can't imagine you'd be interested.

[whottt]

The guy I worked for thinks he's altruistic too. That's what really scared me about him.

Look...I don't know you personally, and this is not a personal attack. If you are a good one then I congratulate you...But I didn't start out being cynical about the profession, I became that way, and I have a lot of reasons why.

[FromWayDowntown]

The guy I worked for thinks he's altruistic too. That's what really scared me about him.

Look...I don't know you personally, and this is not a personal attack. If you are a good one then I congratulate you...But I didn't start out being cynical about the profession, I became that way, and I have a lot of reasons for being so.

I can assure you that there are many, many more reasons for you to not be so jaded. There are far more good lawyers than bad ones. I will say this, though: lawyers who are in practice with the goal of using that practice to step into a political career are generally going to be bad lawyers -- generally speaking, they care more about themselves than their clients and thus, their clients suffer. I dislike lawyers who make the legal profession a political battle; those lawyers should make people cynical.

But those lawyers are few and far between.

[whottt]

Maybe he went because he was a member of the military at the time that we declared war and was called up for service. If that's the case (and I suspect it is), he didn't go to Iraq for public image reasons (or because he is a lawyer). He went to Iraq because that was what he agreed to do. He may not have supported the war in Iraq, but at least he put his personal political beliefs aside long enough to do the job he had sworn to do. My goodness, do you just jump to any readily-available negative assumption available about people?

And you might be right...which I why I said this in my original post:

Still..because this guy did something that I totally admire I am going to withold judgment on him until I hear his approach to the Iraq situation.

One thing sets my alarms off though...if he was against the Iraq war in the first place, then why did he volunteer to go over there....that sounds exactly like something a lawyer would do for public image reasons, I wonder what he did when he was over there.

Still, he went...and that counts for a lot with me, it counts more than anything with me...as long as he doesn't try to sell out America ala John Kerry then I will consider him a promising democrat and a step in the right direction for that party.

I also never said that all attorney's are s ..just IMO most of them usually are.


Methinks you are seing what you want to see...I haven't judged this guy yet.

[FromWayDowntown]

I also never said that all attorney's are s ..just IMO most of them usually are.

Fair enough. I'll admit that I misread your initial post, whottt, and for that, you have my apology.

I disagree with your opinion, but I respect where it comes from.

[Vashner]

You don't join the Marines if your lazy or a whimp.. the basic is 12 weeks.. compared to 6 in AF and 8 in Army... Good luck to the dude.

[Nbadan]

Do you guys all remember the Warren County Ohio LOCKDOWN of the BoE on November 2nd 2004? How about a little refresher...

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00000917.htm

Guess what? Warren County is IN OH CD-2!!!!!

YIKES!!!!

Lookie here:

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/elections/maps/congress0...

Turns out ole Hackett could be a Democrats wet-dream if Ohio can count its votes this time around.

[Nbadan]

Paul Hackett has become an honorary Texan:

Dear Friends and Supporters:

I'm emailing you today to ask you to support a very exciting candidate, Marine Major and Democrat Paul Hackett who could be the first veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom to be elected to Congress. He fought in the Fallujah campaign, took part in reconstruction efforts and worked side-by-side with Iraqi military and civil personnel.

Yesterday several Texas bloggers declared Major Hackett an honorary Texan and launched a joint fund-raising effort. I've been busy with my law practice and didn't get a chance to join their call until today. However, it's not too late to contribute to the campaign -- there will be many bills coming due after the election and your money will be well spent. Please click here to contribute to Paul's campaign: http://actblue.com/list/honorarytexan?refcode=morrison

Paul Hackett knows what's really happening in Iraq. And, he's ready to take his experience to Washington. He's running in the August 2nd special election in Ohio's 2nd Congressional District stretching from just outside Cincinnati eastward along the Ohio River.

Paul's campaign has a tough fight against some of the most entrenched special interests in Ohio. His opponent, Jean Schmidt, is a favorite of the corrupt and ever-present Republican establishment -- one that never misses an opportunity to smear and cheat.

Fight on!

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Most polls still have Hackett trailing his Republican counter-part by 5 points, but hey, this is Ohio and as Diebold E-voting machines showed in Georgia, not even a 12 point lead going into the election is safe, unless your Republican.

[Ocotillo]

The district is extremely Republican and has been the scene of many a Repug landslide in recent years. That Hackett is within 5 points is a moral victory of sorts but screw moral victories, we need the genuine article.

Also, I don't believe Hackett fought in Fallujah as he is a civil affairs officer.....I could be wrong though.

[SWC Bonfire]

Yesterday several Texas bloggers declared Major Hackett an honorary Texan

Well, Lord knows how much power several bloggers hold over the entire State of Texas.

[Ocotillo]

Paul Hackett



Jean Schmidt

Err Jean, let's not do a bunch of television in this campaign

[Ocotillo]

Today is election day. The repugs are evidently running scared on this one. Clearly given the history of the district Hackett is the underdog. The last election went 70 to 28 for the repug.

The reason I said the repugs are running scared is the Schmidt campaign released the press release that said Hackett would not be the first OIF vet to serve in the congress but that was proven to be wrong by the republican congressman whom Schmidt was saying served in Iraq. Secondly, Rush Limbaugh was trashing Hackett today on his show saying he went to Iraq "to pad his resume." I heard that myself listening to the radio today. I have also read Rush referred to Hackett as a "staff puke"

Limbaugh is a sorry excuse for an American. He himself is a chicken hawk who avoided military service back when he was of age and now he disparages people who have served in the Iraqi theater if they have the audacity to have a different political viewpoint. He puts the repug elephant above the American eagle in his personal pecking order. S bag.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Election Results
Last Updated: 8/02/2005 10:46pm

US HOUSE Ohio 2nd Dist
662 precincts of 753 reporting
JEAN SCHMIDT 49,681 50%
PAUL HACKETT 48,811 50%

[Ocotillo]

Final results Hackett loses by a margin of 4%. Hate to see him come so close but this bodes well for '06. Ohio is showing some serious buyers remorse from this past November.

[Ocotillo]

Maybe Hackett will run for senate next year against the unpopular DeWinne. Go Paul Go.

[gtownspur]

maybe this time he will run as a liberal.

[Ocotillo]

Hackett update:

Hackett was on the Ed Schultz Show and had this to say about Rush Limbaugh's "staff puke" comment:

That's typical for that fatass drug addict to come up with something like that. There's a guy ... I didn't hear this, but actually when I was on drill this weekend, I've got to tell you, he lost a lot of Republican supporters with his comments. Because they were coming up to me, telling me, "I can't believe he said that! Besides that, he called you a soldier. He doesn't know the difference between a soldier and a marine!"

So generally, the consensus is Rush doesn't know squat about patriotism. He's typical of the new Republican. He's got a lot of lip and he doesn't walk the walk. The fact of the matter is, I went to Iraq to serve my country. I left my nice house, my nice wife by my choice because I thought it was the right thing to do. And man, if I was good enough to be able to see into the future that Rob Portman was going to step down from Congress, I mean I should actually be running for something a lot more than Congress. I went to Iraq because I wanted to serve my country and be with my Marines.

I think it probably says more about Rush Limbaugh than it does anybody else that he comes up with those thought processes. And I think it's indicative of today's Republican party, which is patriotic lite translated to anybody who serves their country who truly who truly serves their country and demonstrates it by their actions as opposed to their flapping gums.


They want to attack us. But the fact of the matter is they can attack me, but I punch back just as hard as I get. Ask Rush how come he wasn't taking phone calls for the two days when he was on the attack with me. Ask him why his phone lines were clogged up. That's because he was getting thousands of calls from veterans from this war and other wars who were clogging up his phone lines, giving him an earful.

transcript

[Bandit2981]

Ed Schultz has a damn good show!

[whottt]

He'd have won the election if he hadn't been critical of the man 65% of the district supported in the last political election.

Being critical of the President and toeing the Crat "mislead" bull line made him a Democrat instead of a promising Democrat.

I think the Ohioans wanted to reward him for his service...but on the seminal issue he turned out to be "just another Democrat".

While I applaud him for his honestly...his political saavy was poor, and that's why he didn't beat that hag out. If you are running as a Democrat in a heavily Republican district...you better just shut up about the President...that was his kiss of death, it made him a respected, yet hostile, candidate.