Well, Clan is everyman.
Look, I can see Clandestino's point as an abstract proposition. But the reports surrounding this guy in London give some idea about why it is that he may have run. I read reports that he had been harassed by gangs and didn't speak much (if any) english. Assuming both of those things to be true, he could have very easily seen plain-clothesed police officers brandishing guns as a threat, didn't understand the instructions they were barking, and ran for the nearest public gathering to try to get away or at least seek protection. That, to me, is an understandable sequence of events. Now, is it what I, without ever having faced that guy's cir stances, would have done? No. But my situation isn't the same as that faced by every person. There are grey areas in life where cir stances change the calculus. This, it seems, was one of them.
he was an electrician in london! i can safely assume he understood, stop and police.. i lived overseas for a long time and visited many countries.. those were basic things you learned... especially, if you LIVED and WORKED there.
it is not like this guy was some tourist and had been there for one day. he had an apartment, he didn't get his bills in portuguese i'm sure.
You know, even before it got to this point, the police made so many mistakes that they are going to catch a lot of flak.
Not knowing the building was filled with 9 seperate apartments gets me. What the ?
and how many times have you been confronted with a gun and took off running?
I was confronted by a group of guys in a Paris Metro station, but they were French and ran away (true story).
Not real smart. I would have mopped the floor with 'em. I think they were planning to try to distract me with their confrontation then have someone pickpocket me from behind.
He knew English well enough that I have no doubt he understood what the police said. I doubt he believed them (obviously).
here is another thing.. ALL BRITISH cops need guns. i just heard on NPR that there are only 400 cops in all of britain trained to carry guns... this could have played a factor in their decision...
but it still doesn't justify him running..
Never with a gun. Did run away form a guy with a knife once.
But, I don't think his reaction is out of the realm of possibilities.
British cops shoot man in error, decide to arm entire force.
Only in Clan's world.
I can't wait to see the video tape.
What if the cops pulled out their guns once the man turned and ran and he never knew they even had guns?
haha.. in prague you had gypsies/ s feeling you up(saying "sex, sex, sex") trying to steal your wallet... it was cool..i'd put my wallet in my inside suit pocket and hold it against my body with my forearm while they felt EVERYONE looking for it! hahaha.. when they finally realized they couldn't get it, they left...I was confronted by a group of guys in a Paris Metro station, but they were French and ran away (true story).
Not real smart. I would have mopped the floor with 'em. I think they were planning to try to distract me with their confrontation then have someone pickpocket me from behind.
i bet more cops will be trained..
British cops shoot man in error, decide to arm entire force.
Only in Clan's world.
Yes, moral of the story - don't keep your wallet in an obvious place!
Back to the guy running from people not known as police - there is a lot of property crime in Europe, but not much violent crime. It's not like he was on the streets of 1980's Detroit or something. Murder for your wallet isn't a common occurrance, nor is armed robbery for that matter.
I would imagine the cops carrying the weapons that shot the man did not just get them the morning of the incident. They already had training. What would training more cops to carry weapons accomplish?
UK has VERY tight restrictions on firearms. The average Bobby only get's a stick and some cuffs.
The armed officers take a special class. It boils down to this.. did the officer fear for the safety of the people around him, himself and his fellow officers? Then yea he did the right thing.
Maybe the guy got scared.. that's his fault. Because you see they are USED to bobbies without guns in England...
Here SAPD has already had 9 shoots with 6 fatal. They all pack Glock 40 cal and a good amount also have M16 colt Law Enforcement model (semi automatic M4) in the trunk as well. And the occasional 12 guage (old faithfull).
I have Texas CHL myself and pack at least 2 handguns 24/7 .. most of the time a Sig Sauer with laser and some good ammo. But you have to do the use of force class to get the permit etc..
Also I have been in 3 handgun fights. I crapped my pants the 1st time haha.
Shot a guy in the hand once.. but those are other stories
What'cha shoot 'em for? Snorin' too loud?
[QUOTE=Vashner].
Shot a guy in the hand once..QUOTE]
Do you live in the city where it's legal to try to shoot a doobie out of the hand of someone caught tokin?
Believe you? Why? Because you say so? Stats please!If you haven't done anything wrong why would you "look su ious"?
If 80% of the crime is committed by a certain race they darn better be more su ious of that race (and that doesn't translate into harrasment). I don't want my tax supported police force following people based on a quota, that's nuts! I have no problem with profiling, that's good police work. In the days of the Calif. gold rush I'm betting the miners mined in the areas where they were relatively certain there was gold. Police dogs are trained to follow a distinct scent otherwise they would be useless, that in essence is what the police are doing.
And believe me, the police will respond quicker to reports of a "su ious hispanic, black, asian, arab or muslim man" qucker than reports of a su ious caucasian male.
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