View Poll Results: Best young big man in 3-5 yrs

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  • Demarcus Cousins

    4 16.67%
  • A. Davis

    13 54.17%
  • A. Drummond

    7 29.17%
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  1. #26
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    Davis, but only because Drummond is a mistery to me...need a bigger sample.
    Maybe next season Drummond will be my choice.
    Cousins, just no.

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    Interesting question. It may depend on what type of big man you want on your team, and that may also depend on what else you have on the roster. Anthony Davis has the potential to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. Drummond looks like a Dwight Howard type of player. Not saying either player will end up reaching that caliber, nor am I saying neither can surpass either player comparison. Just saying that's what "type" of player each guy looks to be.

    The answer is probably Davis. He has the all around game on both sides of the ball. The question for me about Davis is whether his bodytype will allow him to be durable year in, year out. Can he bulk up to 235-240 lbs. and be as effective?

    With Drummond, obviously Pistons fans are really excited about the kid. He's like the 6th youngest player in the league and already making a huge impact and he's starting to get noticed beyond the local fans and media. Can he become a 20 point scorer? Well, he's averaging 13.5 PPG in 33 minutes with getting virtually no primary touches on offense, other than a couple set lob plays a game. The Pistons as a team are horrible three point shooters, so it's not like Dwight Howard in Orlando where they'd force the ball down low and have 4 shooters to kick out to so defenses weren't allowed to come with hard doubles and triples. If the Pistons offense and personnel allowed for that and Drummond were a primary scorer, sure, he could score 20 points a game. He won't do it on this team the way it's constructed presently. The comparison to a young Dwight Howard I think is fair. There are a few significant differences. Especially when Dwight Howard was young, despite the big chest and broad shoulders, Howard had chicken legs. Drummond has a strong lower half. He won't get rooted out of the post as much as Howard did when he was younger. Drummond also has really soft hands. Around the basket, he does have some touch for a big. And while Drummond is a wretched free throw shooter, surprisingly his mechanics and form are not bad at all, which would lend one to believe he can become better. Dwight Howard always had bad form shooting, shooting mostly with the wrist than the whole arm, lacked fluidity, and often looked like he short armed his free throws. Drummond has normal looking mechanics. That said, Ben Wallace had decent form and never became even a decent free throw shooter. So time will tell. Despite Drummond's size, he plays like a wing in open court. Runs really well for 275 lbs. and has really good hands and can strip the ball from a guard's dribble. His steals aren't just off big men or off of bad passes. He's stripping guards on the dribble. Pistons fans are excited and we should be. The Pistons have been pretty awful for quite a while now. It's good to be excited about something.

    I do think some people are undervaluing Cousins here too. If he's not as talented as Davis or Drummond, he's not far off at all. He's one of the best low post scorers already in the league when he wants to be. He's also mobile for a big and he can pass. And despite his reputation, I think he's actually a smart player. He's just a smart player that does stupid things. It's like Kobe when he chucks shot after shot. Cousins often knows the right play to make, but he chooses to disregard it anyway. That's not always stupidity. Often times, that's overconfidence evolving into ego. While Cousins' at ude and socio-mental issues may hold back his game, I think he's as talented as any young big in the game. Statistically, he's already pretty good. I think he could be "THE" dominant big man in the league if he got his together. Of course, that's a really big if.

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    My kabayan Jammie with the goods.

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    wow, i have no idea tbh.. Imho right now Cousins is the name, his offensive game is real, he actually is the go to guy on offense and considering he's not one to shoot it david lee style, that's actually special in today's nba. he has matured a bit this year, in the sense that before he was just throwing his temper anywhere, but now basically he talks KG style, i may be wrong, but i think he could actually be some sort of leader some day. He is still terrible defensively and that may never change, but i cannot just dismiss him because he has every needed tool to be at least above average. Davis is obviously the closest thing to a franchise big the nba has right now, he reminds a lot of timmy and kg as many have already pointed out, what i am concerned is how will his body develop but yeah, if i had to bet he would be the name. Drummond is a real big, not a common big, he's a BIG, he has the type of strength and athleticism that cannot be defended, that's how Chamberlain use to have 50 pointers every game.. his ft are perhaps the worst in the league and i doubt he'll ever be more than a .500 guy, but if his body holds up, he will soon be unguardable tbh.
    Bottom line, they are all very talented and the winner will be decided by injuries and their will to work on their game. The thing going for Cousins, is that he is the only one of the three that could play well even with less athleticism, i'd still take Davis tbh.

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    I'm going to discount Cousins because i think his team killing at ude is the deal-breaker.

    I think it's Davis. He has the physical tools and smarts to be a great defender and he can play a little further from the basket than Drummond can.

    That said, Drummond also looks like he could be a top-7 player in the league. He can bully like Shaq down low. He's got to be nearly Hibbert-sized and it's only his second year in the league.

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    That said, Drummond also looks like he could be a top-7 player in the league. He can bully like Shaq down low. He's got to be nearly Hibbert-sized and it's only his second year in the league.
    Both Drum and Monroe are 6-11 so not quite near Hibbert size. But that frontline of Drum - Monroe and Josh Smith might be scary. Plus a decent PG in Jennings and the Pistons might just have a good team.

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    Interesting question. It may depend on what type of big man you want on your team, and that may also depend on what else you have on the roster. Anthony Davis has the potential to be a Kevin Garnett type of player. Drummond looks like a Dwight Howard type of player. Not saying either player will end up reaching that caliber, nor am I saying neither can surpass either player comparison. Just saying that's what "type" of player each guy looks to be.

    The answer is probably Davis. He has the all around game on both sides of the ball. The question for me about Davis is whether his bodytype will allow him to be durable year in, year out. Can he bulk up to 235-240 lbs. and be as effective?

    With Drummond, obviously Pistons fans are really excited about the kid. He's like the 6th youngest player in the league and already making a huge impact and he's starting to get noticed beyond the local fans and media. Can he become a 20 point scorer? Well, he's averaging 13.5 PPG in 33 minutes with getting virtually no primary touches on offense, other than a couple set lob plays a game. The Pistons as a team are horrible three point shooters, so it's not like Dwight Howard in Orlando where they'd force the ball down low and have 4 shooters to kick out to so defenses weren't allowed to come with hard doubles and triples. If the Pistons offense and personnel allowed for that and Drummond were a primary scorer, sure, he could score 20 points a game. He won't do it on this team the way it's constructed presently. The comparison to a young Dwight Howard I think is fair. There are a few significant differences. Especially when Dwight Howard was young, despite the big chest and broad shoulders, Howard had chicken legs. Drummond has a strong lower half. He won't get rooted out of the post as much as Howard did when he was younger. Drummond also has really soft hands. Around the basket, he does have some touch for a big. And while Drummond is a wretched free throw shooter, surprisingly his mechanics and form are not bad at all, which would lend one to believe he can become better. Dwight Howard always had bad form shooting, shooting mostly with the wrist than the whole arm, lacked fluidity, and often looked like he short armed his free throws. Drummond has normal looking mechanics. That said, Ben Wallace had decent form and never became even a decent free throw shooter. So time will tell. Despite Drummond's size, he plays like a wing in open court. Runs really well for 275 lbs. and has really good hands and can strip the ball from a guard's dribble. His steals aren't just off big men or off of bad passes. He's stripping guards on the dribble. Pistons fans are excited and we should be. The Pistons have been pretty awful for quite a while now. It's good to be excited about something.

    I do think some people are undervaluing Cousins here too. If he's not as talented as Davis or Drummond, he's not far off at all. He's one of the best low post scorers already in the league when he wants to be. He's also mobile for a big and he can pass. And despite his reputation, I think he's actually a smart player. He's just a smart player that does stupid things. It's like Kobe when he chucks shot after shot. Cousins often knows the right play to make, but he chooses to disregard it anyway. That's not always stupidity. Often times, that's overconfidence evolving into ego. While Cousins' at ude and socio-mental issues may hold back his game, I think he's as talented as any young big in the game. Statistically, he's already pretty good. I think he could be "THE" dominant big man in the league if he got his together. Of course, that's a really big if.
    Can't agree more. I have seen hardly one game of Drummond's and I am mightily impressed. Kid has a great future as a center in this league. As you said, if the Pistons imaginatively reconstruct their roster with good spare pieces, it would be great for Andre's development.

    Davis, for me, reminds a lot of prime Antonio McDyess and then some. He belongs to the TD/KG/HO 4.5 mode but he needs to refine his help & P&R defense and he will go a long way.

    Cousins is very smooth on offense. He is the most naturally talented big man of the three offensively. He has a better facing the basket game than the other aforementioned two, and moves his feet very well. His help defense on the other hand is poor, he pouts and blames others ...and he is really a headache to coach and is more of a liability than an asset in the locker room. Its been four years and he hasn't still got it.. I doubt it if he ever will.

    In sum, Davis will blaze his way provided the Pelicans don't screw up. Drummond will be most effective in a Pistons system designed to maximise his individual skills while Cousins will be the present day version of Rasheed Wallace.

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    Shaq? That's a weird choice. Olajuwon's camp has been overrated but I still think he'll benefit a lot with Akeem.
    Shaq was a ferocious athletic as monster in his hey day. He played with an at ude and a huge chip on his shoulder. No pretty as layups. No finesse tip ins. None of that cute . He was trying to tear the rim off or break the backboard (or some fool's hand if they were stupid enough to try and block his dunks). He was high percentage all the way. His footwork was amazing for a man his size.

    All that said, in today's NBA, Drummond could be Shaq. Drummond is probably the most powerful big in the league right now (Mt. Hibbert or Oden being a close 2nd/3rd). Who could with Drummond? Nobody to be honest. He has foot speed. He runs the court well. He's pretty agile too. He just needs experience. I think Shaq could teach him how to use his body and play "big." I think Shaq could teach him how to power through double/triple teams. He could teach him how to get deep post position and pin his man. He just can't teach him how to hit FTs

    What is he, 20? I'd LOVE to see him in Purple & Gold. He's still 5 years away from his prime. If he doesn't end up injury prone, he is going to be a monster. He's 7' and 280lbs at 20 years old. That's Shaq's size when he came in the league right there (IIRC, Shaq was 7'1" 315lbs as a 21 year old rook). He's probably not done growing either which is scary. He's averaging 13.5ppg and 12.8rpg already. Get this: his PG is Brandon ing Jennings. He shares a frontcourt with two pretty good rebounders in Josh Smith and Greg Monroe.

    Imagine if he was the focal point of an offense. He already shoots 65% - and he is still raw. Like I said, he should spend some time with Shaq (minus Krispy Kreme donut shops and chasing after Superhead ). He could learn a lot about physicality in the paint. Somebody will throw the max at this kid if Joe Dumars is stupid enough not to tbh.

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    Shaq was a ferocious athletic as monster in his hey day. He played with an at ude and a huge chip on his shoulder. No pretty as layups. No finesse tip ins. None of that cute . He was trying to tear the rim off or break the backboard (or some fool's hand if they were stupid enough to try and block his dunks). He was high percentage all the way. His footwork was amazing for a man his size.

    All that said, in today's NBA, Drummond could be Shaq. Drummond is probably the most powerful big in the league right now (Mt. Hibbert or Oden being a close 2nd/3rd). Who could with Drummond? Nobody to be honest. He has foot speed. He runs the court well. He's pretty agile too. He just needs experience. I think Shaq could teach him how to use his body and play "big." I think Shaq could teach him how to power through double/triple teams. He could teach him how to get deep post position and pin his man. He just can't teach him how to hit FTs

    What is he, 20? I'd LOVE to see him in Purple & Gold. He's still 5 years away from his prime. If he doesn't end up injury prone, he is going to be a monster. He's 7' and 280lbs at 20 years old. That's Shaq's size when he came in the league right there (IIRC, Shaq was 7'1" 315lbs as a 21 year old rook). He's probably not done growing either which is scary. He's averaging 13.5ppg and 12.8rpg already. Get this: his PG is Brandon ing Jennings. He shares a frontcourt with two pretty good rebounders in Josh Smith and Greg Monroe.

    Imagine if he was the focal point of an offense. He already shoots 65% - and he is still raw. Like I said, he should spend some time with Shaq (minus Krispy Kreme donut shops and chasing after Superhead ). He could learn a lot about physicality in the paint. Somebody will throw the max at this kid if Joe Dumars is stupid enough not to tbh.

  10. #35
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    Shaq was a ferocious athletic as monster in his hey day. He played with an at ude and a huge chip on his shoulder. No pretty as layups. No finesse tip ins. None of that cute . He was trying to tear the rim off or break the backboard (or some fool's hand if they were stupid enough to try and block his dunks). He was high percentage all the way. His footwork was amazing for a man his size.

    All that said, in today's NBA, Drummond could be Shaq. Drummond is probably the most powerful big in the league right now (Mt. Hibbert or Oden being a close 2nd/3rd). Who could with Drummond? Nobody to be honest. He has foot speed. He runs the court well. He's pretty agile too. He just needs experience. I think Shaq could teach him how to use his body and play "big." I think Shaq could teach him how to power through double/triple teams. He could teach him how to get deep post position and pin his man. He just can't teach him how to hit FTs

    What is he, 20? I'd LOVE to see him in Purple & Gold. He's still 5 years away from his prime. If he doesn't end up injury prone, he is going to be a monster. He's 7' and 280lbs at 20 years old. That's Shaq's size when he came in the league right there (IIRC, Shaq was 7'1" 315lbs as a 21 year old rook). He's probably not done growing either which is scary. He's averaging 13.5ppg and 12.8rpg already. Get this: his PG is Brandon ing Jennings. He shares a frontcourt with two pretty good rebounders in Josh Smith and Greg Monroe.

    Imagine if he was the focal point of an offense. He already shoots 65% - and he is still raw. Like I said, he should spend some time with Shaq (minus Krispy Kreme donut shops and chasing after Superhead ). He could learn a lot about physicality in the paint. Somebody will throw the max at this kid if Joe Dumars is stupid enough not to tbh.
    Seems like a taller Dwight Howard to me. A good rebounder and a defensive player, high efficiency on his scoring attempts because most shots are putbacks/wide open dunks, make him your focal point and you probably get a 2012-2013 Dwight Howard. Can't hit FTs when fouled, so he would be a liability at the end of games and if he demands the ball while not improving in the post he'd be a team cancer just like Howard is.

    Drummond is balling, but he doesn't have the skillset to be a 1st option RIGHT NOW, I'm not saying he won't improve, but I'm not going to buy into the hype until he actually does.

    And I'm not saying that he will be as good as Dwight, putting up 17 and 12 a game with 2-3 blocks, but he has the skillset and the athleticism to at least do that if he works hard enough.

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    Dude is not is even old enough to buy a beer and you're already calling him a liability

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