OT: Gary Payton dropping truth bombs, today's NBA is boring and sucks

[Chomag]

I have always thought that the Offensive player should be getting a foul called on them if they are the ones creating the contact because they are the ones fouling the defensive player, but thats not how the NBA sees is it guess.

[DMC]

Chicago Bulls (4-2)

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	Basic Box Score Stats
Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Michael Jordan	44:00	15	35	.429	3	7	.429	12	15	.800	0	1	1	1	4	0	1	2	45
Toni Kukoc	42:00	7	14	.500	1	2	.500	0	0		0	3	3	4	0	0	0	3	15
Ron Harper	29:00	3	4	.750	0	1	.000	2	2	1.000	0	3	3	3	1	2	1	2	8
Scottie Pippen	26:00	4	7	.571	0	0		0	0		0	3	3	4	2	1	2	2	8
Luc Longley	14:00	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0		0	2	2	0	1	0	0	4	0
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Dennis Rodman	39:00	3	3	1.000	0	0		1	2	.500	4	4	8	1	2	1	2	5	7
Steve Kerr	24:00	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	3	1	0	1	3	0
Scott Burrell	10:00	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jud Buechler	8:00	1	1	1.000	0	0		0	0		1	1	2	1	0	0	0	1	2
Bill Wennington	4:00	1	1	1.000	0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	2	1	2
Team Totals	240	34	67	.507	4	10	.400	15	19	.789	5	17	22	17	11	4	9	23	87

[HarlemHeat37]

The 90s was the tiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..

[DMC]

Chicago Bulls (3-1)

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	Basic Box Score Stats
Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Scottie Pippen	46:00	9	18	.500	5	10	.500	5	8	.625	5	4	9	5	1	0	1	2	28
Michael Jordan	43:00	12	27	.444	0	0		10	15	.667	3	5	8	2	2	0	3	1	34
Ron Harper	34:00	2	7	.286	0	1	.000	2	4	.500	1	3	4	2	3	0	2	4	6
Toni Kukoc	29:00	3	9	.333	0	2	.000	2	2	1.000	0	1	1	4	0	1	0	3	8
Luc Longley	23:00	0	1	.000	0	0		2	2	1.000	1	2	3	2	0	1	2	3	2
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Dennis Rodman	30:00	0	3	.000	0	0		6	8	.750	7	7	14	2	0	0	0	3	6
Scott Burrell	18:00	1	5	.200	0	0		0	1	.000	0	5	5	0	0	0	1	1	2
Steve Kerr	16:00	0	3	.000	0	2	.000	0	0		0	0	0	1	1	0	0	2	0
Jud Buechler	1:00	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Team Totals	240	27	73	.370	5	15	.333	27	40	.675	17	27	44	18	7	2	9	19	86

[lefty]

The 90s was the tiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..

The 90's on today's NBA


HH prefers Playstation basketball

[313]

In a way


But the pussification really started after his retirement in 98

This is when the NBA panicked and was afraid that the NBA would lose popularity, so they started to manufacture superstars and boost their scoring stats via rule changes and gay officiating

That's why football > nba


.....although they've been doing their best to pussify the nfl lately.

[sook]

Truth bombs tbh, and I know that harden and the rockets would suffer....but GP is like one of those super arrogant players that thought he was all that and never was. Overrated piece of imo, never liked that smirk on his face.

[lefty]

GP was not overrated imo

He was terrific on both ends of the floor

[HarlemHeat37]

The All-Lucky To Have Won The Genetic Lottery Team(virtually every NBA player fits this criteria, but the following dudes are at the top) :

PG: Gary Payton/Magic Johnson/Derrick Rose
SG: JR Smith/Monta Ellis/Clyde Drexler
SF: Anthony Mason/Carmelo Anthony/Vernon Maxwell
PF: Dennis Rodman/Kenyon Martin
C: Moses Malone/Javale McGee/Kendrick Perkins

[sook]

GP was not overrated imo

He was terrific on both ends of the floor

He was good on both ends, but people mostly remember him for his defense. I would never call him a "superstar" of the league as he referred to himself. That term gets overused way too much anyways imo. Two superstars in this league right now, KD and Lebron.

[AchillesHeel]

The 90s was the tiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..

Big men with no skill? Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan,D-Rob,Ewing,Zo,Dikembe were just horrible. MJ was boring as to watch. There were no elite 3pt shooters. Lebron is the GOAT.

[DMC]

The 90s was the tiest, least entertaining brand of basketball of all-time, tbh..handchecking, goons, big men with no skill, poor shooting, etc..

Riley-ball set the tone/trend of boring basketball for a long time..

Gary Payton is one of the most overrated players of my lifetime, tbh, and he's also arguably the dumbest man on the planet..

But incredibly articulate and well spoken.

[DMC]

GP was not overrated imo

He was terrific on both ends of the floor

Sure, if he had a mop.

[Rogue]

indeed it sucks when most veterans would want to coattail ride a stacked team, playing for ty pay only to procure a championship ring before retiring, tbh.

[irishock]

I think both the 90's and the 10's are .

Last decade (especially the later part) was great though.

[Leetonidas]

Btw, I love how people gloss over the fact that flopping had already existed long before the '90s, tbh.... Frank Ramsey pioneered it in the '50s and '60s (even describing his flop techniques in a Sports Illustrated article), Red Auerbach was publicly complaining about it in the '70s.... Vlade Divac, Reggie Miller, Danny Ainge, John Stockton, Karl Malone, etc. were flopping in the '90s....

Gotta love bitter old players whining about the current league and vanilla nostalgia gots slurping it up

qft

[HarlemHeat37]

Big men with no skill? Hakeem,Shaq,Duncan,D-Rob,Ewing,Zo,Dikembe were just horrible. MJ was boring as to watch. There were no elite 3pt shooters. Lebron is the GOAT.

I was referring to the mass amount of goons in the 90s, tbh..

[irishock]

There were no elite 3pt shooters.

Hey you forgot about that boy-toy sounding got on TNT

[Clipper Nation]

The '90s had its moments, but '80s-era basketball is more fun to watch, imho....

[irishock]

The '90s had its moments, but '80s-era basketball is more fun to watch, imho....

Laker fan detected

[DMC]

I'll take today's game over any of it. Sure there were stars back then and we grew up with them, but there will be more and seeing how the game changes over time where teams play up tempo and find ways to make that work, that's more interesting than the grind it out games in the paint unless you're a purist. It reminds me of the early UFC days when Royce Gracie would spend the entire match on the ground working his ground game. It was boring, crowds would boo, but to a purist Gracie was a master and was painting his masterpiece.

[AchillesHeel]

Hey you forgot about that boy-toy sounding got on TNT

sarcasm

[irishock]

sarcasm

Ah I'm a re

[lefty]

Last decade (especially the later part) was great though.

Lol no

[Reck]

Payton is just an overrated piece of negroid who benefitted from playing in a decade long watered down league. Nobody cares what he says. It's all about the now. LeGOAT, Kevin, and Cliff Paul will continue to carry the league and make it to be the best sport in the U. S. Of A outside of fooseball of course.

Mitc with the "I started watching Basketball 2 years ago bads."

If the league was watered down then, then what do you call it now?