Bigger Impact: Boris or Marco

[Chinook]

Easily Diaw.

I love Marco knocking down threes but lets be honest. You live by the three you die by the three. Marco will do us nothing more than Bad Game Danny Houdini. I still maintain, as I always have, that somehow starting Boris instead of Danny would have won us a championship last year. Diaw is the lucky token and that's what this franchise lives on.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Diaw easily

[quentin_compson]

Boris, but I'm glad the Spurs got Marco... Manu basically resurrected his career. With the right complement and in the right system, he can be a smart player. He moves well without the ball, can shoot and finish.

Subtle..

[weeks]

love em both, but if forced to choose, i'd lean towards diaw.

[Captivus]

Before Tiago's injury I would have said Marco, but now in terms of "impact" Ill go with Boris.
Is close though and I have to say I didnt expect Marco to do so well so quickly.

[Sean88888]

I think Ayers has the bigger impact

[SpursFan86]

Not that on-off numbers are the final word on this issue, but here are the numbers for anyone who's curious:

Diaw - http://www.82games.com/1314/13SAS10.HTM#onoff

Belinelli - http://www.82games.com/1314/13SAS6.HTM#onoff

Those numbers point to Diaw.

[DMC]

Easily Diaw.

I love Marco knocking down threes but lets be honest. You live by the three you die by the three. Marco will do us nothing more than Bad Game Danny Houdini. I still maintain, as I always have, that somehow starting Boris instead of Danny would have won us a championship last year. Diaw is the lucky token and that's what this franchise lives on.

You can maintain anything that cannot be disproven (or proven). What's the point?

[superbigtime]

Boris has talent on both sides of the ball. I give the nod to him.

[Baam]

This is just beautiful tbh...

[BacktoBasics]

It´s nice to see someone who puts pretty numbers because sometimes the whole team struggles to make a basket, dude has weak points but this is his first season here and he is worlds apart from Gary and that lame point guard Pop tried to do after his second season, he is better than weak ass Jefferson even if ie plays SF.
As I said before, Boris is great but is not his first season with this team, so naturally Im more excited about King Beli, Manu-like players are always welcome too bad Nando doesn´t fit the bill.

This isn't a comparison to Neal or Jefferson. Both of which have nothing to do with the topic at hand and clearly show the weakness in your argument. As both of those players show that the role Marco plays can be filled by lesser quality players without a significant drop off.

[gameFACE]

Apples and oranges but I'd give the edge to Diaw by a hair. Right now in a clutch situation I trust a good Diaw pass to the right player than the possibility of a Beli hitting a game winning bucket or trey. But then again Beli might make it......

That they're upgrades over Neal and Blair is without question, though.

[Mikeanaro]

This isn't a comparison to Neal or Jefferson. Both of which have nothing to do with the topic at hand and clearly show the weakness in your argument. As both of those players show that the role Marco plays can be filled by lesser quality players without a significant drop off.

Weakness? Im pointing why Marco is making some big impact here, took place since Neal left and rocks, you are crazy Marco is planets away from Neal, if we send Marco to the Bucks and Gary back to SA you will see the drop off.
Boris is great but lately he has been chicken ting to make some baskets, yeah DEFENSE MATTERS but... IS NOT EVERYTHING! keep saying 2.0 is bigger I already chose Marco.

[Raven]

Apples and oranges but I'd give the edge to Diaw by a hair. Right now in a clutch situation I trust a good Diaw pass to the right player than the possibility of a Beli hitting a game winning bucket or trey. But then again Beli might make it......

That they're upgrades over Neal and Blair is without question, though.

Belinelli upgrade over Neal (even though i was on board on not resigning him) makes absolutely 0 sense. At what exactly is he an upgrade?

[gameFACE]

Belinelli upgrade over Neal (even though i was on board on not resigning him) makes absolutely 0 sense. on what exactly is he an upgrade?

Better passer/ball handler and (hopefully) more likely to play defense. He's less of a combo guard which is a good thing.

[Raven]

Better passer/ball handler and (hopefully) more likely to play defense. He's less of a combo guard which is a good thing.

i've seen this comment in here quite many times and i really don't understand it.. I think everyone agrees that the passing have been a lot better in the past two years, i don't say it was thanks to neal but the passing was absolutely top notch i would actually argue that the 2011 bench and passing were the best in league history. The offense was absolute poetry imho. Given that, i don't see how can anyone say Belinelli has improved our passing, at best it's a lateral move, and i'm not even counting the fact that Neal was put in a situation he was not confortable with (he obviously wasn't a pg), also i consider the idea of having belinelli run the offense as extremely re ed, just watch him when he's pressured he's a tournover machine, like against Memphis for instance.. On defense, i think it's pretty established he's a downgrade to anyone Neal included, dude doesn't have a clue.

[Gagnrath]

Belinelli upgrade over Neal (even though i was on board on not resigning him) makes absolutely 0 sense. At what exactly is he an upgrade?

He a better passer, and a better rebounder. I'm not going to say that either is good on defense but the taller Belinelli matches up better. Neal when hot was awesome, and some days he even had a drive and floater going. That said belinelli isn't as hot and cold, he also doesn't have the lingering plantar faci is issue.

[gameFACE]

i've seen this comment in here quite many times and i really don't understand it.. I think everyone agrees that the passing have been a lot better in the past two years, i don't say it was thanks to neal but the passing was absolutely top notch i would actually argue that the 2011 bench and passing were the best in league history. The offense was absolute poetry imho. Given that, i don't see how can anyone say Belinelli has improved our passing, at best it's a lateral move, and i'm not even counting the fact that Neal was put in a situation he was not confortable with (he obviously wasn't a pg), also i consider the idea of having belinelli run the offense as extremely re ed, just watch him when he's pressured he's a tournover machine, like against Memphis for instance.. On defense, i think it's pretty established he's a downgrade to anyone Neal included, dude doesn't have a clue.

Neal was looking to shoot first. Belinelli is more of a playmaker. He'll pass if he needs to. Their streakyness is where they're a lateral move. Last year Neal was already playing on a high assist team whereas Belinelli wasn't. The more he works himself into this system you could predict it will work better for him. Add that he can get to the rim. It's an added bonus. And he won't be placed in a position to run the offense as Neal had whatever the reason. So basically, he's an upgrade tbh

[BacktoBasics]

Weakness? Im pointing why Marco is making some big impact here, took place since Neal left and rocks, you are crazy Marco is planets away from Neal, if we send Marco to the Bucks and Gary back to SA you will see the drop off.
Boris is great but lately he has been chicken ting to make some baskets, yeah DEFENSE MATTERS but... IS NOT EVERYTHING! keep saying 2.0 is bigger I already chose Marco.

The biggest problem you have is your inability to read something for face value without adding your own interpretation to it. I never said Marco wasn't "planets" ahead of Neal. He's clearly a significant upgrade over Neal however what I was pointing to is that the role he plays can be plugged much easier with lesser talent...even less production, and have less of an impact than losing Diaw.

This is the equivalent of looking at two women both attractive and picking one over the other because one looks slightly better from a distance...while ignoring all other relevant tangibles.

[Mikeanaro]

The biggest problem you have is your inability to read something for face value without adding your own interpretation to it. I never said Marco wasn't "planets" ahead of Neal. He's clearly a significant upgrade over Neal however what I was pointing to is that the role he plays can be plugged much easier with lesser talent...even less production, and have less of an impact than losing Diaw.

This is the equivalent of looking at two women both attractive and picking one over the other because one looks slightly better from a distance...while ignoring all other relevant tangibles.

I dont have problems, thread says PICK BORIS OR MARCO, I picked Marco, I already explained to you why but you keep spinning the wheel, Marco played like 40 games, Boris like 120 also averaging much more minutes, I remember 3 seasons ago before Boris this team won over 60 games, 2011 they won 61 games, 2012 lockout season they went 50-16 with Boris playing last 10 games or so, what I mean is, Boris was not there so what was the impact?

[Danny.Zhu]

Boris.

[Joseph Kony]

Diaw is the best FA signing the Spurs have made since Brent Barry tbh

[Joseph Kony]

I dont have problems, thread says PICK BORIS OR MARCO, I picked Marco, I already explained to you why but you keep spinning the wheel, Marco played like 40 games, Boris like 120 also averaging much more minutes, I remember 3 seasons ago before Boris this team won over 60 games, 2011 they won 61 games, 2012 lockout season they went 50-16 with Boris playing last 10 games or so, what I mean is, Boris was not there so what was the impact?

The Spurs won 20 straight games after benching Blair for Diaw in 2012

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Well, Tim Duncan says Boris is the MVP of this team, so......

[wildchild]

Boris.

Marco is great scorer, an explosive offensive force, but his D could cost games (like vs NYK or Memphis last games). Diaw, on the other hand, has the ability to do multiple things on the court, pass, score, rebound, block, defend, get steals, shot, he's more versatile than Marco.