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Yep the worst. With win over Clips, Kings and Warriors ... and your Rockets too ...worst team in Cali
If we can sneak in a win over Celts, Mavs and Spurs this will be a great season if we get a top 3 pick.
Man, has the bar been lowered ...
Yep the worst. With win over Clips, Kings and Warriors ... and your Rockets too ...
If we can sneak in a win over Celts, Mavs and Spurs this will be a great season if we get a top 3 pick.
Man, has the bar been lowered ...
yeah, lakers are better than those teams. you're right
how will they lose when Kobe returns though? Lakers don't tank and they didn't pay Kobe a ton of money to lose..
Dumbass s reversing themselves and hoping for Laker wins now
Eat , gots...Randle, Parker, or Wiggins will be ours
No we are not ... which makes those losses even more surprising. I think each of those teams has also came back and beat the Lakers by double digits.
I wasn't being sarcastic, if you could tell by my "bar lowered" comment. Just saying it's funny we have beat those teams which is simply a fact.
Let me boil this down, tell me if I've missed anything. You don't watch college basketball, but you already know that players in this draft aren't of the Lebron/Shaq/Duncan caliber because ... you haven't heard about them as much? Their highlights haven't impressed you as much? I'm honestly not sure what facts you're basing your opinion off of, if any. What you know is either what someone told you, or cherry picked for you to watch. (Like 99% of basketball fans anyways, myself included. If you're not getting paid for it, no one has the time to watch all these guys play enough to actually get a feel for them.)
and tbh
1) A few months isn't enough time to declare a pick (or a draft) a bust or a boom. You need years.
2) If you're just making this opinion based on intuition, what does this prove? That your intuition was right? It's like sitting at the blackjack table and standing on 16 when the dealer has a face card because you "feel" it's the right move. Intuition moves are the wrong play, period. (The analogy only holds true if you believe there's an element of luck involved in drafting players. I don't know if you believe that)
If your intuition really is that good, you should try your luck in Vegas or become a scout for an NBA team. If you can predict this well with limited information, imagine how good you'd be once you've actually seen the players play.
You don't have to do that. The Lakers have essentially done what Riles did with the Heat in managing to get every contract except Kobe's off their books, and then a year later Kobe's is gone. Whoever they draft will be on his rookie contract till what, 2017? So instead of having 3 max guys like the Heat, you can have the guy on his rookie contract at 6~ mil and another guy with a max and still have a ton of cap space to sign complimentary players. It's like what the Clippers did, but the Lakers have even more flexibility.
Not to mention that it should be an easy sell to recruit guys to help "rebuild LA." "Come be a lynchpin in the new era of the Lakers franchise." You know some guys would bite on that.
As for franchise changing players you've got Rose, Dwight, KD, and Anthony Davis in a few years. Griffin did to a degree, they weren't "contenders" (using this loosely) until they got CP3. But that's the same kind of scenario I'm talking about. One guy isn't gonna take you to the Finals by himself anyways.
Paul George is the centerpiece of a Pacers team that's made a good turnaround too. My main point is that the Lakers have a good chance at drafting a guy in the caliber of those above and have the cap space to put him in a good situation to succeed. They've just got to play their cards right.
We need a big man, plain and simple. There are plenty of players like Wiggins or Parker'. Legit 7-'0 feet tall with a knack for protecting the rim and great footwork don't grow on trees.
Embiid is that !
If we can get Embiid and that Alpha Westbrook in the offseason, we're off to a great rebuilding start tbh.
We need a big man, plain and simple. There are plenty of players like Wiggins or Parker'. Legit 7-'0 feet tall with a knack for protecting the rim and great footwork don't grow on trees.
Embiid is that !
he looks like a nice Specimen....I beleive the darker the skin the better the potential
For all we know the 57th overall pick could be the caliber of Ginobili or better. I'd not bet on it though. If the Spurs landed either Wiggins or Parker, they'd be beasts. On a ty franchise that's going to land them, they'll be stat gathering until trade time comes. LA doesn't develop talent. This we know.
What I believe (we cannot know the future) is that the Lakers are far enough in the hole that one fresh face from college isn't going to dig them out of it. Until Kobe retires, that's how it's going to be. I also know that established NBA players are better than rookies. There are very few exceptions to this. Where is Shabazz? How's Bennett doing? Would Kyrie Irving make the Lakers compe ors? Would Anthony Davis make them compe ors?
The Lakers' suffer from iden y crisis; they don't have anything but Kobe as an iden y and though they might play well without him if everyone is healthy, they must play with him if he's healthy. That's their ceiling. No rookie is going to fix that, the LA front office won't allow it unless Kobe went all David and Tim and passed the torch, but I don't see that happening.
Which is why I say established players are better, maybe not in the long run but we aren't talking 5 years down the road. That's past the contract period anyhow.and tbh
1) A few months isn't enough time to declare a pick (or a draft) a bust or a boom. You need years.
I can look at the building where the blackjack table resides and decide that the house wins most of the time. I'd not sit down. Common sense dictates that players who have established games already in the NBA are more valuable than unknown "potential" players unless you get a monster.2) If you're just making this opinion based on intuition, what does this prove? That your intuition was right? It's like sitting at the blackjack table and standing on 16 when the dealer has a face card because you "feel" it's the right move. Intuition moves are the wrong play, period. (The analogy only holds true if you believe there's an element of luck involved in drafting players. I don't know if you believe that)
If your intuition really is that good, you should try your luck in Vegas or become a scout for an NBA team. If you can predict this well with limited information, imagine how good you'd be once you've actually seen the players play.
James Harden was drafted after Thabeet. Now you tell me that people didn't think Thabeet would be better for a team than Harden would be. Now you have Harden as the face of the franchise in Houston, and he could do more to turn the Lakers around than Howard did (not saying much tbh) but even then Kobe would have to sign off on it. I don't need to know the hole card to know Kobe isn't going to sign off on it.
We need to continue this tradition of making every team jealous of the Lakers Kool, we on hiatus now, but no doubt we'll be back
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That Clipperfan is probably StrengthAndHonor
We're in the drivers seat as far as I'm concerned. Listen when you compare Kobe to Duncan ask yourself...of the two who's the last one to win a le? Which team is positioned for signing a big time free agent in the summer (Melo) and getting a top 3 pick in the draft? Meanwhile the Spurs are doing what they've always done looking good in the regular season...they lucked up and got back last year due to all the injuries in the Western conference but 6 proves they had no business what-so-ever being there in the first place...they're history now...we're poised to win another le in the next two yrs...We need to continue this tradition of making every team jealous of the Lakers Kool, we on hiatus now, but no doubt we'll be back
He's trying to focus on you because Jimbo owned him...he and DPG trying to figure out how to Spin Jimbo's comments
That Clipperfan is probably StrengthAndHonor
No. I don't go out decked out in Clippers gear, matter of fact no one does, except Keith Closs.
That Clipperfan is probably StrengthAndHonor
So many people use that handle these days.
That Clipperfan is probably StrengthAndHonor
Miami lost to the wizards. happens tbh
Every year, educated fans call out before it happens, despite watching less film/games of prospects than scouts, players that won't be very good. Every year, teams that get paid to draft fail miserably at it. In fact, most do. It's because it is very difficult to evaluate a 19 year old: their drive, intangibles & game.
Not only that, its incredibly rare that you get that de facto 1 player like Duncan/Shaq/Lebron...There aren't even that many 1b guys. Lakers are completely terrible. Kobe isn't even a 1b any more and probably a very questionable 2. Not only that, there does not appear to be that true 1 guy in the draft.
From a fan perspective (and I admit this is completely anecdotal) if you understand basketball, watching a guy play 5-6 times in addition to other research usually gives you a decent perspective. Not a GM's perspective who are talking to coaches, going to practices & watching literally every game a player has played in, but a solid perspective to make educated guesses.
The reality is it's just hard, even for pro's but I have no doubt many people who at least do what I said from a fan perspective and understand basketball can peg a player reasonably well. The difference is we look at it solely from a basketball perspective. FO's look at all factors including marketing potential...They also look at it from an "upside" perspective more than we do and have a lot more pressure which often times pigeon holes them into making decisions they don't like.
When you start comparing players to Duncan, Durant & Lebron, the expectation is that they pretty much turn a franchise that is bad into at least a fringe contender. When you watch Wiggins, you have to imagine what Lebron would have done at the same age if placed in the exact same situation. I guarantee you that Kansas wouldn't be ranked 18th in the country and that Lebron would be far ahead of Wiggins.
The point is - outside of landing a Lebron, no one is coming into to LA that is turning them into a contender even if Kobe can be a viable #2 on a le team. There aren't Lebron level FA's nor Lebron level draft picks. Doesn't mean LA can't be a playoff team if things go well, but any significant jump in LA's talent will be 2+ years down the road.
LA still has built in advantages, but the luster has worn off some. It's not like it used to be. With Kobe's deal, the best they can do is sign one more Max FA next year. That would make it Kobe/Max FA/Draft pick and a bunch of weaker players.
Regardless, LA is doing the right thing intentional or not. They are setting themselves up for the best draft pick possible. Their moves before this (Kobe contract, letting Dwight walk...) have hurt and it's the moves after (which FA's, which draft pick(s)) that will dictate how things actually turn out obviously.
This is true, buss really kicked the franchise in the nuts with that extension, at this point all we can do is try to sign 1 more star, and work the draft, but unless a miracle happens, we are not contending anytime soon.
I agree with DPG, but I don't think Buss had an option tbh. Kobe makes a ton of money for that team. They had to hold on to him. He might have signed for less but maybe not. Securing him as the face of their organization for two more years probably makes them more money than they spend on him. I think they decided they weren't going to win when Howard walked.
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