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    He's been awesome since coming back from the injury. I'm really surprised at how much better of a passer he's become.

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    cornrow* tbh

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    He needs to get a new hair style, then I will look to him as a allstar.
    why, whats wrong with his hair? he's an nba player, not a dapper dan man.

    corn rolls? wtf man

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    Really annoying to see a 22 year old being played 29mpg
    A 29 year old with the knees of a 49 year old, tbh......

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    Really annoying to see a 22 year old being played 29mpg
    GS overplayed Iguodala and he's now out with the same thing Kawhi had: quad tendonitis. It's a condition that can become chronic. It did with Sean.

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    Really annoying to see a 22 year old being played 29mpg
    Pop is not used to having stud players that are young. If you asked him Leonard's age he would probably say 32.
    I always get the impression the Spurs hold back the development of younger players somewhat until they are near the end or through their rookie/first contract. This way if they want to keep the player, they can attempt to sign them to something reasonable based on numbers.

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    He needs to get a new hair style, then I will look to him as a allstar.

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    ^ thats awesome lol

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    he's an nba player, not a dapper dan man.

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    The only reason you're not seeing "sharp increases" is because he's playing less. And once Duncan/Ginobili leave, he will have a much bigger role in the offense and will be playing more minutes. Sure, he might see a slight drop in efficiency, but there's no reason to believe he'll start being some inefficient chucker. He's increased his volume of scoring per 36 minutes every year, and guess what? His efficiency has increased as well.

    I'm not saying he's going to be some 25+ ppg scoring monster...I don't think that's in his build. But the idea of him being able to drop 18/7/2/2 on efficient shooting is not crazy, and that would definitely make him an all-star caliber player given his elite defense.

    I don't think there's any reason to say he's peaked. He's just not in a situation right now where he can easily break out and put up crazy numbers. For one, the Spurs are trying to make sure his knee is healthy going into playoffs, and two, he's the 4th option behind Parker/Duncan/Ginobili. But he won't always be a 4th option. If he can score 13-14 ppg super efficiently as a 4th option, why is it foolish to think he could score 18ish ppg as a legitimate 2nd option?

    I mean, 60+ TS% is elite efficiency. Even if he scored 17-18 ppg on 57-58 TS%, that'd be a great level of scoring.
    That doesn't matter, he wasn't going to be getting 40 MPG or something. I also said I doubt we're ever going to see a sharp increase, not, "his stats didn't increase sharply this year".

    Back to the minutes though. Compare his per 36 minutes stats to his career average, or even what he did his rookie year. Other than PPG, they pretty much didn't go up besides assists barely and PPG. Other than that, fouls and turnovers up. The minutes aren't holding his stats down, he isn't doing much more statistically in the minutes he does have anyway.

    His scoring efficiency is good though as I said, but I just don't expect it to stay anywhere near where it is if his volume of shooting went up enough to score 18 a game. He would probably drop down to 54-55% if we're lucky.

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    That doesn't matter, he wasn't going to be getting 40 MPG or something. I also said I doubt we're ever going to see a sharp increase, not, "his stats didn't increase sharply this year".

    Back to the minutes though. Compare his per 36 minutes stats to his career average, or even what he did his rookie year. Other than PPG, they pretty much didn't go up besides assists barely and PPG. Other than that, fouls and turnovers up. The minutes aren't holding his stats down, he isn't doing much more statistically in the minutes he does have anyway.

    His scoring efficiency is good though as I said, but I just don't expect it to stay anywhere near where it is if his volume of shooting went up enough to score 18 a game. He would probably drop down to 54-55% if we're lucky.
    He's gone from scoring 11.9 points per 36, to 13.7 per 36, to 15.2 per 36...all while increasing his efficiency. And you're ignoring a main part of my post: Kawhi is a 4th option right now. You really don't think his responsibilities are going to increase noticeably when Duncan/Ginobili retire?

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. He's only 22 and in his 3rd year, and I think he's still far from being done improving as a player. I think his current role limits his ability to show his improvement, but there are signs that he's improved. I also think that in a few years he'll be able to become more of a volume scorer while still maintaining efficiency. Like I said, I'm not saying he'll be some scoring juggernaut who carries the offensive load night in and night out, but I do think he has the potential to be a solid 2nd option scorer on a contender.

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    I'm kidding, but you don't see a lot of player wearing the corn rows these days
    Everytime I see that I think of Iverson in his prime. You are right though they are mainly out of style nowadays pretty much but hey to each their own and he is doing him.

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    Much of what he doesn't isn't statistical. He is a defensive pest and is disruptive to players other than the one he guards. He is fast and with those long arms and hands just gets into everything... But you can't quantify that stuff...

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    I always get the impression the Spurs hold back the development of younger players somewhat until they are near the end or through their rookie/first contract. This way if they want to keep the player, they can attempt to sign them to something reasonable based on numbers.
    Good strategy IMO since it has worked.......... I remember Manu though after his first contract was up getting good offers so Manu after 04-05 was not held back and he got a great offer from Denver if I am correct?

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    Pop is not used to having stud players that are young. If you asked him Leonard's age he would probably say 32.
    I hope he can handle the extra minutes in the playoffs. Especially when Lebron will be playing 40+. Pop's strategy of lowering minutes simply won't work in the playoffs when other teams are playing their best players longer.

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    I hope he can handle the extra minutes in the playoffs. Especially when Lebron will be playing 40+. Pop's strategy of lowering minutes simply won't work in the playoffs when other teams are playing their best players longer.
    I think the whole purpose of him not getting as many minutes is so he can handle those minutes in the playoffs

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    He's gone from scoring 11.9 points per 36, to 13.7 per 36, to 15.2 per 36...all while increasing his efficiency. And you're ignoring a main part of my post: Kawhi is a 4th option right now. You really don't think his responsibilities are going to increase noticeably when Duncan/Ginobili retire?

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. He's only 22 and in his 3rd year, and I think he's still far from being done improving as a player. I think his current role limits his ability to show his improvement, but there are signs that he's improved. I also think that in a few years he'll be able to become more of a volume scorer while still maintaining efficiency. Like I said, I'm not saying he'll be some scoring juggernaut who carries the offensive load night in and night out, but I do think he has the potential to be a solid 2nd option scorer on a contender.
    Don't bother talking basketball with Kidd K. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a dumbass, but...well...I guess he kinda is.

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    He needs to be more aggressive tbh. im impressed that he is making strides in creating some of his shots but only way to learn is be more aggressive and learn from your mistakes and whatever works for you on the court.

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    Good strategy IMO since it has worked.......... I remember Manu though after his first contract was up getting good offers so Manu after 04-05 was not held back and he got a great offer from Denver if I am correct?
    I agree it is good strategy, I wonder though if the Spurs consciously do it. I do somewhat remember Manu's situation with Denver, but still they didn't offer him anything too crazy. I just worry after Kawhi's cheap rookie contract is up, that some GM out there might offer him a max deal, especially if the Spurs showcase him more and he ups his game in the playoffs.

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    I agree it is good strategy, I wonder though if the Spurs consciously do it. I do somewhat remember Manu's situation with Denver, but still they didn't offer him anything too crazy. I just worry after Kawhi's cheap rookie contract is up, that some GM out there might offer him a max deal, especially if the Spurs showcase him more and he ups his game in the playoffs.
    The Spurs let the market set the value. They never bid against themselves, but you can believe they'd match ANY offer in a heartbeat.

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    He's gone from scoring 11.9 points per 36, to 13.7 per 36, to 15.2 per 36...all while increasing his efficiency. And you're ignoring a main part of my post: Kawhi is a 4th option right now. You really don't think his responsibilities are going to increase noticeably when Duncan/Ginobili retire?

    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. He's only 22 and in his 3rd year, and I think he's still far from being done improving as a player. I think his current role limits his ability to show his improvement, but there are signs that he's improved. I also think that in a few years he'll be able to become more of a volume scorer while still maintaining efficiency. Like I said, I'm not saying he'll be some scoring juggernaut who carries the offensive load night in and night out, but I do think he has the potential to be a solid 2nd option scorer on a contender.
    I actually didn't ignore it at all. You're missing my point entirely which is what's leading you to believe I ignored your point.

    I at no point said Kawhi isn't capable of averaging 18 PPG.

    I said Kawhi will not shoot 60% TS% if he does average that much.

    In fact this is my last paragraph:

    His scoring efficiency is good though as I said, but I just don't expect it to stay anywhere near where it is if his volume of shooting went up enough to score 18 a game. He would probably drop down to 54-55% if we're lucky.
    I'm saying the fact that he's a 4th option is precisely WHY his efficiency is so good right now. I don't know how you got, "Kawhi can't score 18 PPG" from that, but it's cool.

    When speaking of is improvements, there's more than just scoring more. He technically wouldn't really be "improving" if he's just getting more shots. He'd just be getting more shots. Everything else didn't exactly go up either. That's what I'm getting at. I would like to see Kawhi improve his passing, ballhandling area, as well as rebounding, and maybe get a bit more in the steals/blocks department too since he's supposed to be a defensive force.

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    I actually didn't ignore it at all. You're missing my point entirely which is what's leading you to believe I ignored your point.

    I at no point said Kawhi isn't capable of averaging 18 PPG.

    I said Kawhi will not shoot 60% TS% if he does average that much.

    In fact this is my last paragraph:



    I'm saying the fact that he's a 4th option is precisely WHY his efficiency is so good right now. I don't know how you got, "Kawhi can't score 18 PPG" from that, but it's cool.

    When speaking of is improvements, there's more than just scoring more. He technically wouldn't really be "improving" if he's just getting more shots. He'd just be getting more shots. Everything else didn't exactly go up either. That's what I'm getting at. I would like to see Kawhi improve his passing, ballhandling area, as well as rebounding, and maybe get a bit more in the steals/blocks department too since he's supposed to be a defensive force.
    Okay, but like I said, even if his efficiency dropped a little, it'd still be a great level of scoring. I believe that he'll keep improving to the point where he can maintain great efficiency while increasing volume.

    Him gaining a bigger role will help him improve. It's hard for him to improve his passing and ballhandling when he's the 4th option and he's basically always playing alongside Parker and/or Ginobili.

    As for his rebounding, he's already one of the best rebounding SFs in the league. He rebounds more per 36 than guys like LeBron, Durant, and Melo.

    And c'mon, you're a Spurs fan...you should know better than anyone that steals/blocks aren't what make a great defender. Bowen averaged .8 spg and .4 bpg for his career, and only averaged over 1 spg five times in his entire career. Kawhi has averaged over 1 spg in all 3 seasons so far, and his well above Bowen's career averages in both categories. Kawhi is already a defensive force and there's really no debating it. Can he improve? Sure. But even as he is right now, he's probably a top 5 perimeter defender in the league. Him getting more steals/blocks is far down the list in terms of things he needs to be trying to improve.

    Two things I'd like to see him improve are: his ballhandling/playmaking, and overall aggressiveness on offense. Both of those things will come with the territory of gaining a bigger role when Duncan/Ginobili leave (which is inevitably coming up in the next year or two). He's already an excellent finisher. He's one of the best mid-range shooters in the league. He's solid from 3 and can space the floor. He's an elite perimeter defender who can bother basically any guard/wing in the league. 22 year-olds who can do all these things aren't common. I'm not trying to hype him up as the next MJ, but we really shouldn't take for granted what we have here. We just have to hope we can keep him here.

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