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    In the games Tony Parker has played during the win streak, he is averaging 15.1 points and 5 assists in 27 minutes on 48% shooting. Per 36, that comes out to 20 PPG and 6.6 APG.

    Remove games where Tony has played less than 24 minutes (i.e. all of these games against cellar dwellers like CLE, LAL, and NOP where Tony really wasn't needed), and those averages jump to 18.8 points and 5.5 assists in 30 minutes on 52% shooting. Per 36, thats 22.6 PPG and 6.6 APG.

    ing Tony Parker and his All-Star level play. Really pisses me off.
    Yes but what are his dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble off balance jump shot stats.

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    Everything Parker do is heroball

    Parker shooting pull up jumper off a screen = hero
    Mills doing this every time = no problem

    Parker taking a open jumper = hero
    Diaw not doing it = OMG SHOT THE BALL!
    Duncan doing it = wow his jumper is so flat

    Parker attacking the basket = hero
    Kawhi doing it = Nice to see Kawhi being aggressive
    So accurate

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    I wonder if a player like Ricky Rubio could get his 10+ assist per game average in a Spurs team. Despite being #1 in assist per game Spurs isn't really a team where one player can rack lot of assists.
    - You have to share the ball with Manu
    - You played less minutes
    - No alley oop
    - No bigs with reliable jumpshot (Diaw have a nice jumper though, I wonder why they don't run more pick n pop with him instead of Splitter/Duncan)

    As a pure basketball fan, I was appreciating the ball getting passed around the perimeter, getting everyone involved, getting 5-6 guys 8-11 field goal attempts each, such as in the Pelican game.

    I'm not saying the Spurs won't need Parker going hero during the playoffs, I just don't see the need for it with a ten point lead in the 2nd quarter of a regular season game.
    Pacers aren't the Pelican, even if they struggle they are still an elite defensive team. And Spurs actually needed Tony going hero in the second quarter, which is why Pop put Tony back sooner than usual. Ball movement weren't working and shot weren't falling. Tony came, attacked the rim, make a fews jumpers. On second half Indiana defended closer on him which let more space to the other player.

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    Last I checked Parker was the point guard, and if you look at every team in the NBA, the player that dribbles the most on just about every team in the point guard. Parker also creates a lot off the dribble, which actually makes our passing game more effective when he kicks out, and when he attacks the paint, he is one of the best finishers in the league. Can't see how we want one of our best weapons, the dribble penetration, to stop.

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    We scored 103 points on the road against the #1 defense in the league that plays at a very slow pace...our offense looked fine tbh.

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    parker's the best player on the team?

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    I wonder if a player like Ricky Rubio could get his 10+ assist per game average
    Ricky Rubio is overrated as . I would take 5 Enriques over him, tbh.

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    When he's making shots, he's MVParker.... when he's not, he's Enrique... it's not really fair, but due to his age, talent and the point where he is in his career, he has the biggest responsibility on the team.

    I think the criticism this season has been sharper because he's not played as well as last season, and because he's now surrounded by a more capable supporting cast.

    Ultimately, we're going to need him making shots and plays, but I feel we're better equipped to rely less on him. We'll see.
    Plus likely the biggest challenge the Spurs face is when Tony eventually gets shut down. Great defensive teams will take away your first (TP), second (TD) and sometimes third (Manu) option... then it becomes imperative that the rest can make plays. And in that regard, I feel the Spurs are better suited this season. But every game of every series is different, and the more players you have playing well certainly makes a difference.
    This E-N article touches on the same things. Especially the remarks by Manu and Brett Brown's 4 eras of Spurs offense.

    http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...elite-offense/

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    Weird timing... because Parker just owned the best defense in the league... but yes.. it does get annoying at times... but, again, the timing of this post is horrible.

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    This E-N article touches on the same things. Especially the remarks by Manu and Brett Brown's 4 eras of Spurs offense.

    http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...elite-offense/
    thanks!

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    People confuse assists with ball movement. This offense is not conducive to an individual player averaging 10 assists. If you are just a casual box score fan (not taking a shot at those people, just using a point of reference) you look at assists and probably just assume someone is a good playmaker or true PG.

    In the Spurs system, that's just really not possible. But two points: 1) It's the system and the reason you see our bigs (Tim/Tiago/Boris) along with other guards all getting assists. Despite not having anyone averaging over 7 assists per game, the Spurs are one of the top assisting teams in the league. 2) For the box score fans (again, not a knock) it's easy to just assume TP isn't a playmaking PG. Nothing is further than the truth. If you watch enough basketball, TP's decision making is 2nd to none. He may not get the assist because of the system, but his initial playmaking/passing often leads to the chain of events that unfold and allow the Spurs to score. I would venture (as I have said before) that he would be a top 3 "hockey assist" player in the NBA if they tracked that stat.

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    Everything Parker do is heroball

    Parker shooting pull up jumper off a screen = hero
    Mills doing this every time = no problem

    Parker taking a open jumper = hero
    Diaw not doing it = OMG SHOT THE BALL!
    Duncan doing it = wow his jumper is so flat

    Parker attacking the basket = hero
    Kawhi doing it = Nice to see Kawhi being aggressive
    To be fair, Parker is the only one who does all 3 consistently. If he's missing different shots from all over the floor while taking the offense off it's groove, then it's Hero Ball.

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    People confuse assists with ball movement. This offense is not conducive to an individual player averaging 10 assists. If you are just a casual box score fan (not taking a shot at those people, just using a point of reference) you look at assists and probably just assume someone is a good playmaker or true PG.

    In the Spurs system, that's just really not possible. But two points: 1) It's the system and the reason you see our bigs (Tim/Tiago/Boris) along with other guards all getting assists. Despite not having anyone averaging over 7 assists per game, the Spurs are one of the top assisting teams in the league. 2) For the box score fans (again, not a knock) it's easy to just assume TP isn't a playmaking PG. Nothing is further than the truth. If you watch enough basketball, TP's decision making is 2nd to none. He may not get the assist because of the system, but his initial playmaking/passing often leads to the chain of events that unfold and allow the Spurs to score. I would venture (as I have said before) that he would be a top 3 "hockey assist" player in the NBA if they tracked that stat.
    +1

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    Most of time when Tony is going "hero" it's on a loop play, his teammates have the choice to give him the ball or not or make something by themselves. Problem is Green has zero ball handling, Kawhi is progressing but still lacking and Duncan is too light to post up consistently. Results is Tony always get the ball back and it ends up on hero ball.

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    Doesn't bother me one bit. He's looking for a crease, a play, a pass, a shot. And he finds it 85% of the time. This is complaining for the sake of complaining.

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    Well, I think we're just spoiled this season because we have unselfish, great-passers on the complementary players, that makes the game really pretty in the eye, and has been extremely effective.
    Yes I am spoiled.

    And off balance Parker jump shots hurt my eyes.

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    Doesn't bother me one bit. He's looking for a crease, a play, a pass, a shot. And he finds it 85% of the time. This is complaining for the sake of complaining.
    Link to 85%

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    Take Parker off of this team and see how good the Spurs are without him. Seriously, I've never seen a fan bas more about their star player, while on an 18 game winning streak no less. Smh.

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    When he's making shots, he's MVParker.... when he's not, he's Enrique... it's not really fair, but due to his age, talent and the point where he is in his career, he has the biggest responsibility on the team.

    I think the criticism this season has been sharper because he's not played as well as last season, and because he's now surrounded by a more capable supporting cast.

    Ultimately, we're going to need him making shots and plays, but I feel we're better equipped to rely less on him. We'll see.

    Truth

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    Personally, I prefer watching the second unit this season. But that may be because the brain likes novelty.

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    I look at the box and see 100+ points on 18 assists, it reaffirms my opinion.

    But ok, I guess I'm the only one. Neato.
    That may be true, but we turned the ball over only eight times last night. That's impressive given Indy's defense (even if they are slumping).

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    I love everything about Tony's game except the one thing I mentioned.

    There is an especially high content of grey here today.

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    lol i knew some geek would pull this.

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    I love everything about Tony's game except the one thing I mentioned.

    There is an especially high content of grey here today.
    Man, your basketball opinions are so much more valuable and insightful because your username is black. I long for the day where I'm no longer a grey user whose opinion is invalidated because I haven't spent as much time on this forum

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    Take Parker off of this team and see how good the Spurs are without him. Seriously, I've never seen a fan bas more about their star player, while on an 18 game winning streak no less. Smh.
    Still 1st seed in the West, tbh.

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