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Yeah you're right, like i just said hopefully you guys are right.
I was thinking that while making my post actually that Tiago's value as a center may be higher than Kawhi's as a wing man, but i realized that's not something players probably care about. Maybe Kawhi is different, but all I know is that if I was in that situation all I'd be thinking is I'm better than Tiago, so I should get more money and as many years. Hopefully I'm wrong though, because you're definitely right that centers' contracts are naturally inflated by the lack of good centers in the league.
In a perfect world tiago would be like 7 M and Kawhi like 9, but oh well
Yeah you're right, like i just said hopefully you guys are right.
Kawhi still isn't the 'go to guy' that Paul George and Lebron are. Right now he's still mostly a role player, which Lebron and Paul George certainly are not. Furthermore, he's not in the same class athletically as those two. Isn't his vertical jump like one of the lowest on the Spurs?
He had a great game guys...but the Spurs haven't paid anyone the max for a long, long time. And for a reason. The Spurs system relies on having quality role players (Green, Diaw, Belli,) to run it, and you have to be able to pay those guys as well.
I think we should wait on Kawhi. If we make a deep run in the playoffs this year, and Kawhi plays great throughout like he did tonight, then fine, give him a max extension this summer. But if not, then just wait until he's a restricted free agent next year and you have more time to evaluate whether he deserves that kind of money.
Not right now. 10m per year seems right. Barring no crazy playoff numbers
Oh no. Kawhi is worth eight figures easy. If you think the Spurs are assuming he's going to get less than Splitter got, then I can understand why you posted what you did. But there's no way Leonard doesn't get at least $10 Million a year, and that has nothing to do with Splitter. Kawhi is going to chase money during his second contract. Every player who can does.
And the Spurs can still build around him if he takes a max offer. He and Spltter would only count for $24 Million of the $65 Million or so salary cap. If Leonard takes $12 Million a year, the Spurs would be able to have him and Splitter, re-sign Parker, Diaw and Green (and a guard like Joseph, Mills or Beli) have some rookies come over from Europe, sign a $3 Million bench player, AND add an eight-figure borderline-star player.
oh shut up..
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The Splitter salary is absolutely irrelevant to the amount that Kawhi will get in an extension or a second contract. His agent isn't going to compare him to a center on the Spurs. He's going to compare him to SFs around the NBA. Batum got 4yrs/46M. Kawhi will get more than that.
It's a given he gets a 5 year extension. Really happy for him...
Kawhi should and will get the 5 yr extension, but I also suspect he could be persuaded to leave a bit on the table in order to let the Spurs to contend.
all good points, thats why i said that 12 M would be a bargain and what i'm realistically expecting him to get. I just said the 7 M and 9 M numbers cuz that would be in a perfect world because as much as I love kawhi i'm still not entirely sold on his ability to actually be a 20 ppg scorer. I know he's shown it at times, especially recently, but i just don't know. His shot has been really great lately which helps but he can be streaky with it, if he gets that to be as consistent as it is now though he'll easily be worth max contract
If he can start getting to the rim in the half court he is worth max money. Right now I would say probably around 14m a year would be good.
So far he doesn't deserve one.
He is playing great but max contract are for player like Durant, James, Duncan ... superstar. If he get one only based on potential then that is a bad contract.
Now if his agent do a great job, he can probably can get the max somewhere but I doubt the Spurs would give it, that would kill their chance of getting a le.
Most players during the Duncan era that have been re-signed have at one point or another been underpaid.
5 years/~50 mill would be ideal for Kawhi tbh.
Splitter got 9 mil/year. Kawhi will get more than 10 imo. by the time his rookie deal expires, tim and manu will likely be retired
Do the spurs have to match offers?
I don't really understand contracts tbh, but I\m guessing if they have to match, they will have to match a highs salary
I can see some desperate team offering a 80 million contract for five years
i'm not even sure he'd be eligible for that much, but as a restricted free agent, any team could sign him to an offer sheet, and the spurs have the right to match it (it's what happened with roy hibbert when Portland tried to sign him).
iirc it was somewhere in the 4 year 60 million range
Yeah, but he's a bigman and he's 29. Pretty sure his initial two year(?) contract when he came over was a bargain too.
There's a lot more example of players being underpaid. The Big 3 themselves have been ridiculously underpaid at one point or another. Green, Diaw, Barry to a lesser extent, etc.
Kawhi is younger than Splitter, so the age 29 thing isn't really helping your case. In fact, Leonard is worth more since he is:
a) already the better player
b) unlike Splitter during his free agency, he has room to improve his game
Kawhi would easily get an offer sheet from another team worth a lot of money, certainly more than Splitter's annual salary
The point was that the Spurs can always take care of Kawhi later on, like they have with Manu/plan to(?) with Tony, not that Splitter is worth more because he's older.
Can't the Spurs extend him before he becomes a free agent like they have with Tony ?
they sure can. i would think its fair to compensate him. the "take care of you later" thing could be sold if you were doing it in order to keep a championship roster together with a franchise rock like Tim Duncan in place. but Kawhi is a guy that has had knee problems early in his career. he'd want to be taken care of now, and rightfully so.
i think kawhi would agree to an extension at the right price, but he'd be a fool to accept a lowball offer considering what he'd be receiving on the open market. i'm not trying to sell kawhi as a guy that's just after the money, but you have to look at it realistically
5yr/60mil for Leonard would be a solid deal for both parties tbh.
He'd get more in the open market no doubt. Tony would've too if he had tested the waters. I'd just like to think Kawhi is a good soldier that wants to continue winning and gives the Spurs that discount we've become accustomed to. Besides it's not like 5 years/~50 mill isn't enough to be set for life.
Manu's first contract after his rookie one was 6 years/48 mill if I'm not mistaken.
they signed Tony when has value was lowest and we still had george hill iircHe'd get more in the open market no doubt. Tony would've too if he had tested the waters. I'd just like to think Kawhi is a good soldier that wants to continue winning and gives the Spurs that discount we've become accustomed to. Besides it's not like 5 years/~50 mill isn't enough to be set for life.
Manu's first contract after his rookie one was 6 years/48 mill if I'm not mistaken.
In these kind of contracts, probably an important role is decided by taxes...for what I red texas is a good place to play (and, for example, canada is not) because of the limited taxes. So a ten million dollars per year offer made by us could be equal or better, for example, of a 11/12 million offer per year made by another team...
Kawhi has the highest winning % of any player in the league over the past 3 seasons. That in itself is quite impressive and tells you how valuable you are to your team.
I don't think Max deal, but a 5 year 60-65mil is around the ball park the Spurs will be paying. His next contract, assuming he get better and sustains his level of play, will definitely be more.
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