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    It's not really Hill's fault. He is a SG on offense, and a good one. Fine outside shooting, driving, FT's. But he's not a PG, has no vision and struggles passing the half court. It was hard to believe the Pacers choosed him as their starting PG. Bird and Vogel should have noticed that.

    "Hill is more combo guard than point guard. He averages just 2.7 drives per game, the second-lowest figure among all starting point guards, per SportVU tracking data. He just isn’t going to generate any easy drive-and-dish buckets.
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    He is logging 32 mpg but is getting to the line just 2.5 times a game.

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    It seems strange that so many in the media still have Hibbert as the obvious choice for DPOY, when lately he's looking like a poor man's Tiago Splitter
    He does a great job of protecting the rim but he probably doesn't deserve the awards any more than the likes of Noah or Gasol and Ibaka helping anchor top defenses.

    Splitter does compare pretty closely to Hibbert

    Splitter-21.5 MPG-8.1 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 52.6% ($10 Million this season) P.E.R 16.5

    Hibbert-29.9 MPG, 11 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 44.7% ($14.2 Million this season) P.E.R 13.8

    Hibbert's DRtg is 98 compared to Splitters 101 but Splitter is +13 to Hibberts +3 in Net Rtg.

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    Hibbert is shooting 33% in their last 10 games. Holy , how does a bigman shoot 33% in a sample size that large? That's 10 points worse than Olowokandi. For all the people give Ayres, he's shooting 58% for the season (and 71% in his last 10 games). How the does Hibbert disrespect his teammates when he is their worst player right now?

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    Hibbert is shooting 33% in their last 10 games. Holy , how does a bigman shoot 33% in a sample size that large? That's 10 points worse than Olowokandi. For all the people give Ayres, he's shooting 58% for the season (and 71% in his last 10 games). How the does Hibbert disrespect his teammates when he is their worst player right now?
    He has a total of 24 rebounds in the past 8 games ..no ..

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    Was that ECF last year just a reflection of Wade being broken down? How did that team ever take Miami to 7?

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    That team can be pretty beast on defense and when West or George is rolling offensively it opens things up for other players and suddenly the team can score. Add in Miami not really having a center and hibbert being on one of his good streaks and yeah they challenged the heat.
    Actually did a bit more looking into things since my earlier reply and based on what people say about his AAU and OSU days it sounds like even turner is something of a head case who can sow lock room dissention. So I think I am also going to lay lots of the issues on that since by all accounts granger was still a big part of the pacers leadership wise while turner causes issues and derides teammates.

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    Bird should shoulder most of the blame. His moves since last year's ECF have not merely failed for this season, but they cost assets for future seasons.

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    They gon get raped. Miami gets cakewalk to fhe finals as usual.

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    I drove from Minneapolis to go to the spurs game at Indianapolis recently and most of the pacers fans that I sat near were blaming it on the coaching and the lack of ball movement.

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    I don't think I've ever seen a supposedly top tier team go into the playoffs with such a piss poor at ude and terrible closing record. The upshot of the Pacers breakdown is that Miami has a much easier road in the weakened East to the NBA finals this year. Miami will probably sweep in the first round and close out the other playoffs series in 5 or 6.

    In contrast, the West will be a dogfight in every series and you could see seven game playoff series all over the place.

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    He has a total of 24 rebounds in the past 8 games ..no ..
    ROFLMFAO I didn't really know who Roy Hibbert was until that interview.

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    That Heat performance is undefendable. 0 points and 0 shots.

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    Losing always brings out other issues.

    I think Hibbert has a piss poor at ude at the moment. Paul George came back down to his baseline, which is good, but not a top 5 talent like he was playing at earlier this year.

    I don't shoulder the blame on G.Hill. He was never a creating type of point guard. I think they wanted some of that to come out of Paul George and Stephenson. I think if G. Hill had that ability, it would help some of the issues they have. But the team was built with this known flaw.

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    Hibbert makes or breaks that team.

    He was playing like Yao Ming last year against the Heat. 20/10 consistently.

    To go that from 0 points 1 rebound is disturbing, something is totally messed up with his mind.

    Same with George Hill, 0 points as starting point guard.

    I think the rest of the team is OK, but you can not have two starters with 0 points.

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    hibb 0-9 today

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    Indiana's offense looked far better today with a PG that can dribble a basketball, tbh..

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    Looking more and more like a Spurs-Heat rematch, tbh...

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    He has a total of 24 rebounds in the past 8 games ..no ..

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    Blame the training staff:
    Hibbert runs out of gas EVERY YEAR. They need to change up his training / diet / rest him some to keep him fresh throughout the year.

    Blame the GM:
    Rondo coulda been had w/ Granger+Hill+picks. It's not Hill's fault he's being forced to start at PG instead of his more natural role of combo guard off the bench. And Evan Turner was a bad, bad, terrible choice. If it was that or keep Granger, they shoulda kept him.

    Blame the coach:
    Offense stagnant / ineffective? Have the guts to make a change. No ball movement = death.

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    All i know is that pacers have 3 ex spurs......G.Hill, Scola and Ian Mahimi. They seem to like our garbage :p

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    All i know is that pacers have 3 ex spurs......G.Hill, Scola and Ian Mahimi. They seem to like our garbage :p
    In addition to paying them a total of over 16M per year, the Pacers gave up the following assets to acquire them:

    1. The draft pick used to select Kawhi Leonard
    2. The draft pick used to select Davis Bertans
    3. Miles Plumlee
    4. Gerald Green
    5. A future first round pick
    6. Darren Collison
    7. Dahntay Jones

    Larry Bird- 2012 Executive of the Year

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    In addition to paying them a total of over 16M per year, the Pacers gave up the following assets to acquire them:

    1. The draft pick used to select Kawhi Leonard
    2. The draft pick used to select Davis Bertans
    3. Miles Plumlee
    4. Gerald Green
    5. A future first round pick
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    wow epic fail

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    In addition to paying them a total of over 16M per year, the Pacers gave up the following assets to acquire them:

    1. The draft pick used to select Kawhi Leonard
    2. The draft pick used to select Davis Bertans
    3. Miles Plumlee
    4. Gerald Green
    5. A future first round pick
    6. Darren Collison
    7. Dahntay Jones

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    Phoenix really did make out like bandits in the Scola deal.

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    Scola was never a spur, never suited up for a game so why pretend like he was?

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    I think most people really underestimate Indiana's lack of overall talent, tbh..

    Everybody seems to ignore the fact that they had the easiest or 2nd easiest schedule in the NBA during the 1st half of the season, along with George/Stephenson/Hibbert playing way above their heads..
    true. i think a lot of it stemmed from people thinking George had taken yet another step forward, which was believable based on his NBA improvement by year to date. stephenson/hibbert were also guys that people expected to improve. turns out those were merely mirages (with the exception of lance stephenson who is still vastly improved from last year, even now)

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