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    The Knicks hold Melos bird rights so cap room doesn't affect their offer whatsoever

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    I forgot to put in my post that his wife was also born in Brooklyn and loves New York. There is no way this guy leaves 30 mil on the table with his wife wanting to stay and both of them from New York and Phil Jackson arriving and big money to spend after 2015 in free agency.
    Melo can always live in NY after his late 30s. He'll have probably 40 years to shop in Manhattan and see Broadway shows. His career, OTOH, has a shelf life. You're asking him to throw away another season waiting, and then hope that NY can sign some FAs.

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    The Knicks hold Melos bird rights so cap room doesn't affect their offer whatsoever
    No, but it vastly increases what other teams can offer him. The annual salaries would start the same now.

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    No, but it vastly increases what other teams can offer him. The annual salaries would start the same now.
    No it doesnt vastly increase what other teams can offer him.

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    No, but it vastly increases what other teams can offer him. The annual salaries would start the same now.
    Only the first year. Team with bird rights can offer annual raises in higher increments not to mention the extra year. And that does matter. If Melo signs elsewhere for a max, he'd get 4 years. When that expires he'd be what 33/34? He's not going to get a 20 mil or so salary at that age (I would assume). Getting a 5th year with max money is desirable for a guy his age

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    Melo can always live in NY after his late 30s. He'll have probably 40 years to shop in Manhattan and see Broadway shows. His career, OTOH, has a shelf life. You're asking him to throw away another season waiting, and then hope that NY can sign some FAs.
    If I were him, I would go to Chicago, Houston or other contenders. But those professional athletes care more about endorsement and publicity than winning.

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    Should've signed AK47 when we had a chance... missed 65 wins bliss, tbh

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    If I were him, I would go to Chicago, Houston or other contenders. But those professional athletes care more about endorsement and publicity than winning.
    Why? What has Chicago and Huston won since MJ and Hakeem

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    No it doesnt vastly increase what other teams can offer him.
    It does if they didn't have enough cap room for a MAX offer. It sure as increases what Chicago can offer.

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    If I were him, I would go to Chicago, Houston or other contenders. But those professional athletes care more about endorsement and publicity than winning.
    MJ made out pretty well with endorsements in Chicago.

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    It does if they didn't have enough cap room for a MAX offer. It sure as increases what Chicago can offer.
    Chicago has 7 players on the hook for $47.5 million (that's after the amnesty Boozer). I believe they can offer him up to 4 years, $80 million (max) but would have to do so heavy maneuvering to do so.

    Gibson-$8.5 Million
    Dunleavy Jr.-$3 Million
    2 Draft Picks -$2.6 Million

    unloading Gibson and Dunleavy for cheap returns would allow them to sign Melo to the max and not have to worry about reaching the new luxury tax.

    If he would be willing to take a 4 year, $60 million the Bulls could potentially keep Gibson.

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    Why? What has Chicago and Huston won since MJ and Hakeem
    The draft Lottery.

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    Chicago has 7 players on the hook for $47.5 million (that's after the amnesty Boozer). I believe they can offer him up to 4 years, $80 million (max) but would have to do so heavy maneuvering to do so.

    Gibson-$8.5 Million
    Dunleavy Jr.-$3 Million
    2 Draft Picks -$2.6 Million

    unloading Gibson and Dunleavy for cheap returns would allow them to sign Melo to the max and not have to worry about reaching the new luxury tax.

    If he would be willing to take a 4 year, $60 million the Bulls could potentially keep Gibson.
    The luxury tax is not an issue if a team is using cap space to sign a free agent.

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    From a Spurs perspective, the most likely result of this change is an increased price to retain Diaw and Mills.

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    From a Spurs perspective, the most likely result of this change is an increased price to retain Diaw and Mills.
    I don't see either as more than an MLE player, so I doubt this changes much. This really only affect high dollar players that teams would spend large amounts of cap room for. In fact, teams that may have had the MLE before could lose it if they drop too far below the cap. They would only get the lower "room" exception.

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    I don't see either as more than an MLE player, so I doubt this changes much. This really only affect high dollar players that teams would spend large amounts of cap room for. In fact, teams that may have had the MLE before could lose it if they drop too far below the cap. They would only get the lower "room" exception.
    Basic economics. More money chasing the same amount of goods.

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    Basic economics. More money chasing the same amount of goods.
    Your model is too simple. The NBA isn't a true free market. It's also not egalitarian. A few players make the bulk of league salaries, and the rest fight for exception money or outright scraps.

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    Your model is too simple. The NBA isn't a true free market. It's also not egalitarian. A few players make the bulk of league salaries, and the rest fight for exception money or outright scraps.
    In this example, it is that simple. More teams will now be able to offer Diaw/Mills an MLE or larger contract. The likely result of that simple fact is that the price of retaining their services will go up.

    I'm headed to the arena now.


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    The luxury tax is not an issue if a team is using cap space to sign a free agent.
    I meant after the sign Melo. They would have to fill most of their roster with vet. min. deals. depending on how they shed salary. if they try to keep Gibson and move Dunleavy they would have $44.5 million committed to 6 players (7.4 per player, on average). If Melo were to sign, for say a 4 year 60 million dollar deal, they would have just under $60 million commited to 7 players.

    Throw in the salaries of their 2 1st round picks (which can be 80% less or 120% above the rookie scale) that would put them at about $62.1 for 9 players. They would also have to fill holes at PG, in case Rose gets injured again. They would also have the M.L.E if i'm not mistaken. They may not crack $70 million though.

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    Melo's not leaving $60 + mil. on the table.

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    I meant after the sign Melo. They would have to fill most of their roster with vet. min. deals. depending on how they shed salary. if they try to keep Gibson and move Dunleavy they would have $44.5 million committed to 6 players (7.4 per player, on average). If Melo were to sign, for say a 4 year 60 million dollar deal, they would have just under $60 million commited to 7 players.

    Throw in the salaries of their 2 1st round picks (which can be 80% less or 120% above the rookie scale) that would put them at about $62.1 for 9 players. They would also have to fill holes at PG, in case Rose gets injured again. They would also have the M.L.E if i'm not mistaken. They may not crack $70 million though.
    There are a few things wrong with your scenario. First, the Bulls won't have the MLE if they use cap space. Second, the holds for the picks have to be factored in BEFORE they have any cap space. Third they'd have four additional roster chargers of around $400k before they could sign FAs.

    All that means the Bulls have about $50 Million already on the cap prior to even trying to sign Anthony. Chicago would need to dump salary to get Melo. A sign-and-trade involving Gibson and picks would be a likelier solution.

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    There are a few things wrong with your scenario. First, the Bulls won't have the MLE if they use cap space. Second, the holds for the picks have to be factored in BEFORE they have any cap space. Third they'd have four additional roster chargers of around $400k before they could sign FAs.

    All that means the Bulls have about $50 Million already on the cap prior to even trying to sign Anthony. Chicago would need to dump salary to get Melo. A sign-and-trade involving Gibson and picks would be a likelier solution.
    I think if they have a shot at Melo, they might FINALLY amnesty Boozer. That would lop like $16M right off the top.

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    I think if they have a shot at Melo, they might FINALLY amnesty Boozer. That would lop like $16M right off the top.
    He had already assumed that.

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    First off who the would want Melo?

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    If Melo has any sense, he'll go to Chicago regardless of money imo.
    Agreed. Imagine that team heathy.

    D. Rose
    Jimmy Buckets
    Melo
    Carlos Bruiser
    Joakim

    Captain Kirk, D.J. and Taj off the bench

    gtfo Heat, you ain't getting past that now that Wade's career use of HGH has led his body to start breaking down.

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