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    Kawhi's a keeper. I can see 12m/year easy. I like how the Spurs trial run guys through their first contracts. I even think they kind of hold their development (moreso their stats) down a little just so they can get a more favorable contract. But with the very successful regular seasons, and long playoff runs the last three years, there's no hiding Kawhi. I think they did it with Parker and Ginobili, they also did it with Hill, I even think they did it with Splitter. Once they determined Hill wasn't a long term guy, they traded for a draft choice Kawhi (and his cheap rookie contract) to restart the process.
    Spot on and i've had the same su ions, esp with splitters limited mins early on. his contract looks like a bargain now, with how he has played this playoffs, if he had the mins to produce like that sooner, spurs might've been out bid this summer.

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    He should make at least $12.50 an hour.
    Don't know if HEB would be willing to go there
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    I hope they sign him to one of those declining salary deals, with all that cap space the Spurs will have, rather than throw it desperately at the FA market, frontload Kawhi and whoever else they get and keep cap flexibility for the future.

    if he continues to improve, I wouldn't mind something like 15/13/12/11/10

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    You can't tamper with your own player, right? If the Spurs are willing to max Kawhi out they could just tell him so and promise to extend the offer in 2015. Sure the Spurs could technically renege, but it would cost them an untold amount of reputation.

    The thorny issue is if the Spurs and Kawhi agree to wait until 2015 and Kawhi gets some sort of career-altering injury or illness. Since the new contract wouldn't have been signed by then, no insurer would touch it and even if the Spurs made good on their offer, it would clog up the cap sheet.
    I think they'd give Leonard an option of signing a below-max extension in July (like the $60M/5). Or play his contract out and address the issue in 2015. So they'd either get Kawhi at a great price or get more cap space in 2015. That way, Leonard would be the one calling the shots. Both sides would be taking a risk, and both would be getting something in return.

    It sounds great. Parker, Leonard, and a max player...I like it!
    But I think the big deal in that move isn't only if he wants the max, maybe it's about who will be the max player?
    Because if they promise him a prominent role in the team -like the second offensive option behind Tony- into wainting to sign or to accept less money and then they sign a 25ppg guy, that could be the real problem.
    Not a concern, as Leonard would not be losing any money. In fact, he'd be making the max. The reason why it could piss off Leonard is that he'd play next year without the security of having his extension. It would only be a long-term problem if he regressed or got hurt.

    I could be (and probably am) wrong, but isn't the cap hold equal to the max he is eligible to receive?
    Nah. It's equal to 250 percent of his previous salary. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38

    For Kawhi, I guess it would closer to $7 Million.

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    I think the key will be whether or not the Spurs win it all this year.
    If they do, then it will form a powerful bond for him staying here and taking less.

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    Bruno, come figure this out please

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    He will be extented for 12m/year. Batum type of contract.

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    He will be extented for 12m/year. Batum type of contract.
    I was waiting for that name to be mentioned. Kawhi is better than Batum as he showed in the last series.

    But I do hope Kawhi gets some paycut and not get all the max money. It would help his team get better players.

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    Leonard is a much better player than Batum, Gordan Hayward and so many other swingmen that have gotten paid/will get paid substantial money over the next few years, tbh..

    He's going to get paid big money, and you can't really blame him to ask for all that he can get, considering all the inferior players that have been cashing in the past few seasons and upcoming seasons..

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    Not a concern, as Leonard would not be losing any money. In fact, he'd be making the max. The reason why it could piss off Leonard is that he'd play next year without the security of having his extension. It would only be a long-term problem if he regressed or got hurt.
    Thanks. I'm just saying regardless of the money, if they work to convince him -with the big role's promise- to wait and then sign a guy would have a better role than Leonard -even if he makes the max- he could feel uncomfortable.
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    Bruno, come figure this out please
    Theres literally nothing to "figure out."

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    @ crying for Bruno's help. There is nothing to ing figure out. This is just speculation on what Leonard might be worth.

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    Bruno's very knowledgeable when it comes to cap space and salary, so he can determine exactly how much the Spurs can spend on a particular given year. This can help determine how much Spurs will be able to and afford paying Kawhi, plus retaining other players as well.

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    Bruno's very knowledgeable when it comes to cap space and salary, so he can determine exactly how much the Spurs can spend on a particular given year. This can help determine how much Spurs will be able to and afford paying Kawhi, plus retaining other players as well.
    This really isn't a complex cap question. Kawhi figures to be able to command all or most of the max if he reaches free agency. The Spurs have the payroll flexibility to offer him an extension this summer that will keep him off the market in 2015. The max extension that they can offer is around 5yrs/78M. It seems entirely likely that he will get at least 5/60. My guess, before the playoffs, was 5/64. A bit more wouldn't be much of a surprise.

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    Off topic. I miss Bruno

    I don't know nothing about this forum, the admin, mods,...I read about the team and don't look other forums of the site, so I don't know what happened with the guy.

    Just hope he's ok and his life/job/whatever is too busy to stay here.

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    Joe Johnson got a 22M/yr contract... Some ty team like the Jazz will probably offer Kawhi a Rudy Gay contract, knowing our PATFO, they won't match... Spurs will be stuck with Livio Jean-Charles, Tiago Splitter's 8M, Tony Parker, Bonner will get a huge extension, and some scrub like Dante Cunningham? It's the sad truth.

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    Joe Johnson got a 22M/yr contract... Some ty team like the Jazz will probably offer Kawhi a Rudy Gay contract, knowing our PATFO, they won't match... Spurs will be stuck with Livio Jean-Charles, Tiago Splitter's 8M, Tony Parker, Bonner will get a huge extension, and some scrub like Dante Cunningham? It's the sad truth.
    Kawhi isn't even eligible for a Gay-like deal. The most he could get from another team is like $62M/4.

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    he''ll probably take a paycut. something like 8-10 MIL.
    Why in the world would a young up-and-coming player take a paycut? Tim took a paycut to keep winning because he had already been one of the highest paid players in the league for a chunk of his career. Kawhi has yet to pull in his big money (in NBA terms). If you're the Spurs you pay the man, and tell everyone to buy his jersey for good measure.

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    idiot

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    The thing about Kawhi is, the Spurs know how valuable he is to the team. When other teams see Kawhi, all they look at is superficial stat lines. Joe Johnson can put up 35 points a given game, so teams are willing to pay 22 mil a year for JJ. Kawhi on the other hand only puts up like what 13 points and 6-7 rebounds. A lot of teams are deterred from paying Kawhi that much solely on the basis of his stats. Also, take into account that Kawhi has spent his rookie years with the Spurs. Teams are simply paying him on potential rather than proven superstar or all-star money.

    Keep in mind Rudy Gay was averaging around 21 points and 5-6 rebounds, 1 block, and 1 steal and was an all-star when he got PAID.

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    Pop already said Sugar K is the future of the franchise.
    Funny because the TNT crew was talking about that and said "after Tim retires" and I'm thinking "so Tony gets his walking papers?"

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    Why in the world would a young up-and-coming player take a paycut? Tim took a paycut to keep winning because he had already been one of the highest paid players in the league for a chunk of his career. Kawhi has yet to pull in his big money (in NBA terms). If you're the Spurs you pay the man, and tell everyone to buy his jersey for good measure.
    True, there's no reason for a person like Kawhi to sacrifice 25% of his pay so Peter Holt and company can continue to get bigger paychecks. They aren't playing for St Jude's, so it's a business and business is about being in demand and capitalizing while your stock is high.

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    Maybe he'll give a discount if he can get a lucrative Mootopia endorsement.

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    He deserves a nice contract, and I think he'll stay and take a paycut to stay here instead of wasting his talents in Milwaukee or something making a lot more money. He fits the perfect Spur player archetype and I feel like he'll stay here his whole career.

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    Leonard is NOT taking a paycut. He doesn't even need to. The APY on a max for him isn't even that high. He'd just be giving money away for no reason.

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