wp: U.S. Lowers Sights On What Can Be Achieved in Iraq

[Nbadan]

All of those statements were backed up by Senate Foreign Intelligence reports which we now know were as fabricated as Colin Powell's charges against Iraq when he stood before the United Nations. Try again.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

whottt, what were you trying to prove with all those quotes?

it seems to me like all of them pre2004 focused on what i said was first

disarming hussein
getting rid fo hussein

not many from back then was about setting up a democracy

[whottt]

first it was because they had WMD's
then it was because of saddam
and THEN it was to give the iraqi's freedom (it was never called operation iraqi freedom until well after it was known they had no WMD's EVER)

This is the Bush war declaration that appeared live for every major media outlet:
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Bush Addresses the Nation
The Oval Office




President's Remarks
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10:16 P.M. EST

THE PRESIDENT: My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.

On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein's ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. More than 35 countries are giving crucial support -- from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duty and share the honor of serving in our common defense.

To all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces now in the Middle East, the peace of a troubled world and the hopes of an oppressed people now depend on you. That trust is well placed.

The enemies you confront will come to know your skill and bravery. The people you liberate will witness the honorable and decent spirit of the American military. In this conflict, America faces an enemy who has no regard for conventions of war or rules of morality. Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops and equipment in civilian areas, attempting to use innocent men, women and children as shields for his own military -- a final atrocity against his people.

I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict. And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment.

We come to Iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization and for the religious faiths they practice. We have no ambition in Iraq, except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people.

I know that the families of our military are praying that all those who serve will return safely and soon. Millions of Americans are praying with you for the safety of your loved ones and for the protection of the innocent. For your sacrifice, you have the gra ude and respect of the American people. And you can know that our forces will be coming home as soon as their work is done.

Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly -- yet, our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder. We will meet that threat now, with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of fire fighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities.

Now that conflict has come, the only way to limit its duration is to apply decisive force. And I assure you, this will not be a campaign of half measures, and we will accept no outcome but victory.


My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others and we will prevail.

May God bless our country and all who defend her.

END 10:20 P.M. EST

Don't you guys ever get tired of lying?

[Nbadan]

The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder. We will meet that threat now, with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of fire fighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities.

If we are the liers then show us where Saddam was planning to attack the US.

[whottt]

All of those statements were backed up by Senate Foreign Intelligence reports which we now know were as fabricated as Colin Powell's charges against Iraq when he stood before the United Nations. Try again.

Proof that liberals can't read:


The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998


As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quan y to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mus gas. This agent is stored in artillery s s, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly recons ute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998


"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Cons ution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998


True...I can't find a single quote from Kerry back in 1998....when he was sitting on the Senate intelligence commitee...but I can find him voting to send us into war...I just can't find him doing it after Dean was about to steal the nomintion from him.

[ChumpDumper]

You are an idiot if you think good ole Saddam sitting on his billions of dollars wasn't a threat.

Yeah, all those stockpiles of WMDs he had that he used twice on the US when he fought them is all the proof we need. Meanwhile the terrorists who actually attack the US and its allies run free. Great priorities there.

What makes you think they are going to be in bed with Iran?

You are an idiot if you think any new government had a plan of being hostile towards Iran.

Contradict yourself much?

And what makes you think ending the virtual Sunni monopoly in the mid-east is a bad idea anyway?

Haven't you noticed the terrorists attacking the Shias in Iraq?

Sure, and we're leaving before the Iraqis can even defend themselves properly. Good plan.

Don't try and put in a Democracy after Truman spent millions trying to help the Frech maintain their brutal colonial rule in Indochina turning them all pro communist?

Ike gave the go-ahead for rigged elections in the south. Democracy is democracy -- and that's not always what the US wants.

Only an idiot would think anything from that conflict applies to this one.

Only an idiot refuses to learn from history.

We aren't meddling.

Except you just said we are attempting to influence the content of the cons ution with arbitrary deadlines. Again, your self-contradictions are expected.

That's because cons utions in the middle east seldom came out of a formal process and usually came out of a halfassed attempt

Any attempt to characterize this whole process other than halfassed is a sure sign of idiocy.

Um Pakistan's problems and their fertileness for terrorist extremism are due almost entirely to having no natural resources and an inability to care for their population.

And Iraqis have electricity for how many hours a day?

And Germany...and just about all of Western Europe...IOW, just about every country we have liberated or been at War with...Except Viet Nam...who the Liberals sold to the communists along with millions of deaths.

That a Republican cut and run and left the defense to an unprepared government. Go figure.

overthrowing one of the most entrenched dictators in the world...you terrorist sucking filth...

LMAO! I actually wanted to concentrate on the actual terrorists -- too bad you and all the other flag-wavers got sidetracked by this diversion. You're the ones letting the real terrorists remain free. Congratulations.

Ah...so you don't know what the you are ing about do you?

Of course I do, I'm not so naiive to think everything is going to be as perfect as you believe. And our cut-and-run before the job is done strategy isn't going to help.

Right...because doing nothing more than capturing Usama would have ended the threat of radical Islam and discredited him.

We knoew the terrorists WEREN'T in Iraq, so we did the only logical thing an invaded and took over Iraq.

you are too simple for this conflict.

You're too stupid to realize what a fool you are.

sit back and let the adults handle it.

They're cutting and running -- so I guess we'll get another chance to wave our flags when some troops come home around the holiday season. The script reads well enough.

[whottt]

If we are the liers then show us where Saddam was planning to attack the US.

I don't have to show you that, but I can show you corroborated evidence that, at the minimum, Saddam was doing every thing in his power to make it appear as if he had WMD....at least until the US military was about to come down on his ass.


Besides...we only gave him like 3 months to get rid of any evidence...

He wasn't constrained by the same red tape the US government was...


Do you honestly think Saddam was sitting over there singing god bless America?

Even if he didn't have WMD...something I remain unconvinced of to this day...there is no doubt he had the funding to finance terrorism...

There is no doubt that the suffering of the Iraqi people under the UN sanctions was mentioned by Usama as one of the grievances of the Muslim World against the US...

What were we supposed to do then? Lift the sanctions?

And finally...Saddam good have been a ing boyscout with regards to WMD..but he still violated the cease fire agreement.


and you need to catch up on the OFF scandal...people involved in it are pleading guilty these days....

[ChumpDumper]

And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment.

....until the polls tell us otherwise.

[whottt]

....until the polls tell us otherwise.

Idiot...the provisional leader, who was elected on a platform of getting the US out of Iraq, is asking us to leave....

Idiot...do you understand this?

[Nbadan]

This is silly, we can post dated quotes too:

e had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq...

- Colin Powell, Cairo Press Conference

[Nbadan]

But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.

- Dr. Rice, July 29,2001, CNN late edition with Wolf Blitzer

[Nbadan]

Now let's cover some of the lies:

Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mus and VX nerve agent.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003

If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.

George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.



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George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.

Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.

Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.

Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.

Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003

o I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."

[whottt]

Yeah, all those stockpiles of WMDs he had that he used twice on the US when he fought them is all the proof we need.

Saddam's WMD capabilities at the end of the Gulf War was far more advanced than anyone realized...

Since we have ty intelligence capabilities in that region of the world...and since they got even ter under the Clinton admin...

Would you have preferred to find out the hardway that he did have them?

And we didn't need proof of WMD to invade Iraq and remove Saddam from power...we have had the justification...at least with a non corrupt UN...to do so since 1993.

Meanwhile the terrorists who actually attack the US and its allies run free.

Actually...it's looks like most of them are in Iraq dying if you ask me.

Sure, and we're leaving before the Iraqis can even defend themselves properly.

At their ogranized request...Fascist occupying idiot.

Good plan.Ike gave the go-ahead for rigged elections in the south. Democracy is democracy -- and that's not always what the US wants.

Yeah and Truman aided colonial France...

And you are right...when we operated under the Truman Doctrine...establishing Democracy was not always the most important thing...fighting communism and countries that were sympathetic towardss them was....even if they were colonialists.

Only an idiot refuses to learn from history.

Yeah...like the idiot who wants to stay there and occupy and impost a government of our chosing on them.


[quote]Except you just said we are attempting to influence the content of the cons ution with arbitrary deadlines. [/quite]
It's their deadline idiot...

That a Republican cut and run and left the defense to an unprepared government.

Idiot...they are asking us to leave...

I actually wanted to concentrate on the actual terrorists -- too bad you and all the other flag-wavers got sidetracked by this diversion.

There are plenty of terrorists in Iraq...

You're the ones letting the real terrorists remain free.

No idiot...you are just the one that thinks they are all sitting around waiting to be captured.

I'm not so naiive to think everything is going to be as perfect as you believe.

I don't think it's going perfectly...but I just see the logic behind what they are doing and I think it's sound.

And our cut-and-run before the job is done strategy isn't going to help.

Listen to me you unparalelled wit...

The ing government is asking us to leave...you utter dumbass.

How in the can we justify the sanc y of the process we initiated if we do not honor it?

You ing fool.

And you again, fail to see that the war we fight is ideological and based on mistrust as much as it is conventional...

We knoew the terrorists WEREN'T in Iraq, so we did the only logical thing an invaded and took over Iraq.

No idiot....we knew that WMD capabilities might be in Iraq, in the posession of a leader who would have no qualms about giving them to terrorists to use against us...not to mention the billions of dollars he had to finance them with.

And idiot...Saddam paid off Palestinian suicide bombers...

You're too stupid to realize what a fool you are.They're cutting and running -- so I guess we'll get another chance to wave our flags when some troops come home around the holiday season. The script reads well enough.

off and get your ass back to Korea you piece of fascist who judges the worthiness of soliders lives and their causes based on if they are defending his relatives...Pig.

It's no surprise why you coveted the idea of ing Manu over after his selfless move to the bench...Fascist.

[whottt]

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snippty snip snip snip


So basically you just posted a list of Republicans saying the same things that Democrats and World Leaders had been saying since 1998(and longer probably)?


All you have done is confirm what I already suspected about the liberal mindset...it's only okay when Democrats do it.


Sorry but that's not good enough.


Everyone, including the Crats, thought Saddam had WMD and they had thought so for a long long time, and Saddam himself was enhancing the perception for reasons of regional defense....Bush elected to act on the info instead of just talking about it...as a result, Saddam is gone and at least one mideast country will have a popularly elected government rather than a European appointed despot, we have rounded up a of a lot of terrorists to gain insight into the enigmatic and shadowy enemy that has declared war on us, there is a rift in the muslim world of the acceptance of terrorism, the Sunni militant monopoly has been split....and the US will also prove that their are intentions in the mid east are not just to colonize and steal oil and that the Iraqi masses chose their own future.


You people that just keep endless putting negative spins on everything for political gain...are the absolute enemy of the war on terrorism...You advocate doing the same things that have been done in the mid-east for the past 60 years...

And when you aren't doing that you advocate appeasement...when the first lesson every kid learns in school is that the only way to beat a bully is to stand up to him...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

they never mentioned the term "operation iraqi freedom" commonly in the media until the top dogs painfully realized that there were never any wmd's
thats when the focus became hardcore democracy this democracy that

most of that stuff is just saddam is bad he hurts people but where doyou see 'oh we must spread the goodness that is democracy'

[ChumpDumper]

Would you have preferred to find out the hardway that he did have them?

I would have preferred he actually had them, like our leaders led you to believe with their mountains of evidence.

Actually...it's looks like most of them are in Iraq dying if you ask me.

As you don't know , I didn't ask you.

At their ogranized request...Fascist occupying idiot.

So we'll go back if they ask too? We're at their beck and call?

Yeah...like the idiot who wants to stay there and occupy and impost a government of our chosing on them.

I'd prefer to hang around until we actually established a stable govenment and infrastructure like we said we would -- but if you want to use internal Iraqi politicking as an exceuse to cut and run, be my guest, coward.

No idiot...you are just the one that thinks they are all sitting around waiting to be captured.

You apparently think they are all in Iraq, which is especially funny since they are still attacking our allies in their home countries. We did a gret job of diverting Britain's resources into the invasion and occupation while the real terrorists bombed their trains and buses in London. Don't feel too bad, they were fooled as badly as you were.

And you again, fail to see that the war we fight is ideological and based on mistrust as much as it is conventional...

I certainly do see it that way -- so we're going to look great if a real civil conflict breaks out and we've simply washed our hands of it.

No idiot....we knew that WMD capabilities might be in Iraq

No, our leaders KNEW IT WAS A SURE THING and sold it to you accordingly.

a leader who would have no qualms about giving them to terrorists to use against us

LMAO -- fundamentalists would've used them on Saddam first.

And idiot...Saddam paid off Palestinian suicide bombers...

Against Israel? Wow, I'm shocked.

off and get your ass back to Korea you piece of fascist who judges the worthiness of soliders lives and their causes based on if they are defending his relatives...Pig.

Actually I jusge the worthiness of soldiers lives and their casues based on their leaders' knowing what the they are doing. They are seeing a process through in Korea and other places they occupy. They're cutting and running here.

It's no surprise why you coveted the idea of ing Manu over after his selfless move to the bench...Fascist.

LMFAO! Now comes the time where Hootie starts losing his . Coveting? I said him if he demanded a starting job -- knowing he wouldn't. You thought his ego couldn't handle a nonguarantee. You were wrong and you were proven completely wrong when Manu willingly went to the bench again -- something you said he would never do.

[whottt]

Bush has been talking about spreading freedom and Democracy since September 11th of 2001. Actually he was talking about it long before then...

[whottt]

I would have preferred he actually had them,

You have preferred Saddam had WMD?

Wow!

You are far stupider than I imagined...and that's saying a lot...because I imagined you to be quite stupid.

So we'll go back if they ask too? We're at their beck and call?

I imagine we will if they ask it. I imagine we'll stay if they ask it...


And more or less we are at their beck and call when talking about what they do with their country...helping them helps us.

I'd prefer to hang around until we actually established a stable govenment and infrastructure like we said we would -- but if you want to use internal Iraqi politicking as an exceuse to cut and run, be my guest, coward.

I'd prefer we stayed too...and I imagine that what the US would actually like to do...unfortunately, if we want the Iraqi government to have any legitimacy with the rest of the region...we have to honor their requests concerning our presence on their soil.

You apparently think they are all in Iraq, which is especially funny since they are still attacking our allies in their home countries.

Oh I don't think they are all in Iraq...but I'd say more of them are located there than any other place in the World.

And only an idiot thinks capturing Usama and liberating Iraq is going to end the terrorist problem.

We did a gret job of diverting Britain's resources into the invasion and occupation while the real terrorists bombed their trains and buses in London.

Yeah...because their military would have prevented it. ing idiot.

LMAO -- fundamentalists would've used them on Saddam first.

In most cases yes...but not when they have the chance to use them against the US first.

Against Israel?

Yeah financing terrorism against Israel is not a big deal...

Too bad he couldn't have been paying them for terrorist attacks against a worthy target..like South Korea.

OINK

[ChumpDumper]

You have preferred Saddam had WMD?

Nice selective reading, can't get to the ends of sentences can we? Too many words? Try again.

And more or less we are at their beck and call

So we won't really be leaving for long. Understood.

I'd say more of them are located there than any other place in the World.

I wouldn't.

And only an idiot thinks capturing Usama and liberating Iraq is going to end the terrorist problem.

I never said either would, it's a matter of priorities.

Yeah...because their military would have prevented it. ing idiot.

You really don't know how wars are funded or how budgets work, do you?

In most cases yes.

LMAO, what a great argument for Saddam's giving them WMDs -- that ended up not existing anyway!

OINK

Go back to slinging drugs.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah financing terrorism against Israel is not a big deal...

Sure -- but it's not the US, is it?

Too bad he couldn't have been paying them for terrorist attacks against a worthy target..like South Korea.

I know you want to kill my family. Once a s bag, always a s bag, Qyntel....

[whottt]

Sure -- but it's not the US, is it?

Right...and neither is South Korea...which is why you should have the same em at ude.

I know you want to kill my family. Once a s bag, always a s bag, Qyntel....

I don't want to kill your family...I want to stop occupying a foreign land...

I want to...cut...and...run. I mean isn't 50 years long enough for you?

In Iraq it is....

[ChumpDumper]

I want to...cut...and...run. I mean isn't 50 years long enough for you?

In Iraq it is....

I know reading isn't your strong suit, Qyntel -- I'll let you read the thread again and see if you can actually understand what I typed. You got it before, but I don't expect you to be able to keep more than one idea in your head at a time.

[whottt]

I know...you don't want to pull out of Korea before they are able to take care of themselves.

Tis you that doesn't understand what I want...I want you to actually have somthing to about and criticize.

[ChumpDumper]

I know...you don't want to pull out of Korea before they are able to take care of themselves.

And Iraq. I knew I'd have to spell it our for you.

The more I find out about it the less I see any actual timelines -- and it looks like the Us will still keep large amounts of troops very nearby in other middle east bases. It remains to be seen how serious anyone is about this.

[Nbadan]

So basically you just posted a list of Republicans saying the same things that Democrats and World Leaders had been saying since 1998(and longer probably)?

All you have done is confirm what I already suspected about the liberal mindset...it's only okay when Democrats do it.

Sorry but that's not good enough.

No, I posted inconsistencies in what the administration and its cabinet were saying from August 2002 to May 2003 about Saddam's weapons capabilities, not liberals. Also, Hans Blix was in Iraq at the time, and he was telling everyone that, despite his group of international inspectors’ best efforts, they had not found any evidence of a Iraqi WMD program.