Wade has always been turnover prone, the really simple move was to have Green on Wade at all times. I'm sure they knew this heading into the series.
Perhaps the craziest stat of the night: Spurs outscored Miami by 21 points when LeBron was ON the court.
Current Ginobili over current Wade...any day of the week.
Prime Ginobili over Prime Wade...any day of the week.
Previous 2 yrs Ginobili was awful tho. Ginobili was in pain for the last couple of seasons, and just wasn't good. This year he's not in pain, but has lost a step or 2 from age. But, Yeah...I would take Ginobili over Wade. We don't win 2 championships without Ginobili. Ginobili at the top of the key on key possessions, when he was in his prime...was glorious.
Tremendous reply, full of great counter points, and not just a bag post at all.
You're a blind homer if you think Manu has been better than Dwayne Wade over his career.
Per 36 stats are going to favor a player playing 9 1/2 less minutes per game.
Let's talk stats though. Let's throw out the stats from the first two rounds since they barely matter. Neither of those teams were supposed to lose before the conference Finals. Not to mention we're talking about how they're playing now. This series and the last one are the most recent and most important.
Wade in ECF and Finals: 22 PPG. 4.4 RPG. 4 APG. 54.3% FG%
Manu in WCF and Finals: 15.2 PPG. 2.9 RPG. 4.2 APG. 49.4% FG%
Wade's production is also pretty consistent. Manu is up and down and all over the place. He is playing better now and has played better in the big games.
Also for the rest of the comment, we can go back and compare their previous years' playoff and regular stats too, but Wade dominates bigtime so there isn't much to talk about there.
Don't get me wrong, I think Manu has been playing well this postseason besides the occasional ghost game or devolution into a sloppy gambler. But it's ridiculous to claim he's better than Wade. Wade is a top 10 all time SG. Maybe top 5-8.
Back in the day, people said they would take Vince Carter over Manu. Opinions are like assholes . . .
Good post.
Also, the Heat are among the best (or are they the best?) at defending the PnR, so running it with Tony or Manu and Tim - while having Green and Leonard stand in the corners - plays right into the Heat's hands. Involving Green and Leonard in the offense early can really scramble the defense, especially if Green can go 5/5 at the rim.
did u see any spurs games last year? the whole playoffs manu was ty outside of game 5 in the finals and about 2 or 3 others. i dont' know what the fuk was wrong with him last yearWade was beyond awful in last year's playoffs..statistically, the Heat were worse when he was on the floor..he averaged 16 PPG on an atrocious 49% TS in last year's playoffs..
Last year's Wade was probably one of the 4-5 worst #2 options for a le team in history..he was bad by any standard or metric you can choose, tbh..
This year, the Heat played against one of the tiest conferences of all-time, and Wade still has average on/off metrics..his impact on the Heat is very limited, the numbers agree..now that he's playing against legit compe ion, he looks terrible again, unless he's being guarded by the Spurs' bench players..
Not sure if you're confusing FG% with TS%. 49 is an AWFUL TS% number for a guard. Put it this way, Russell Westbrook is considered an out of control chucker, and his TS% number for this year is 55.
Stop putting words in my mouth.
49.8% FG% would be great for a guard, so I couldn't have been saying that was a bit below average.
And yes, Westbrook has a high TS% due to his inordinate amount of FTAs jacking up his scoring efficiency.
Anyway, Wade's overall TS% was right barely below 50% last year, and that's only a little below league average. He was hurt and played poorly early in the playoffs against teams Miami was owning anyway. If only Manu decided to the bed in games in early rounds instead of championship deciding games, his ty performances would have meant nothing instead of everything.
How many horrible games did Wade have again? One mediocre one where at least he wasn't extremely detrimental to his team. Wade's worst Finals game was better than basically 4 of Manu's 7 games and arguably better than his 3rd best too. He got better as the postseason went on, Manu's stats drop the deeper we go.
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He is definitely one of the top 10 but there have been some fantastic PGsWade is a glorified role player, tbh, people don't recognize it because they hate Lebron..he's one of the top 3-4 SGs of all-time, but his prime was a long time ago, he's no different than current Manu..
He has only been effective in this series when he's been matched up against bench defenders..
Jordan
Drexler
Kobe
Jerry West
Earl Monroe
Reggie Miller
Wade
Gervin
Mitch Richmond
Allan Iverson
haha no. Would you still hold this opinion if he wasn't gifted a le in 2006? This era of the superfriends also inflates his worth. To be fair, he has historically had a very high FG% for a guard. But no, he is not top 10 and certainly not top 5 of all time.
Havlicek and Maravich too.
Love those stats!
Agree... the ball has to really move.
Also, did Patty Mills make the heat look like they were standing still?
It seems that Duncan, Parker and Manu are the players that seem to keep the ball from moving!
This is normal. It's their job as veterans and top dogs to regulate the pace and call the plays. Once the ball movement starts, the advantage of playing in a system is that everybody knows what they are supposed to do: shoot if open, or pass the ball to one of the 2 options the player has. It's beautiful to watch but once the system is in place it's not rocket science and it doesn't really call on the decision making capabilities of the role players.
they probably saw that playing belinelli is re ed.
ing lol at people saying Wade isn't a Top 10 SG... the only people that can even begin to argue being superior SG to Wade are Jordan, Kobe, Jerry West and maybe, maybe Drexler and Iverson.
Wade was a ing beast in his prime, tbh, people forget.
Danny has keyed in on Green, to be sure. Some adjustment from Westbrook, who literally blows by people with athleticism, to Wade, who is much more crafty. In Game 1, Green and Ginobili, etc., were overrunning his pump fakes. Now they're staying at home, realizing he has to use tricks to get separation. It's working.
right, its unfair to compare per minute numbers, but totally reasonable to compare a 36 year old to a 32 year old. wade wont even be in the league when hes manu's age. but since you are such a "here and now" guy, why dont you put the stats for just the 2014 finals:
manu: 15.3 ppg 3.3 reb 5.3 ast 1.7 stl .3 blk 2 TO .485/.375/1.00 .63 TS
wade: 18.3 ppg 4.7 reb 2.7 ast 1.3 stl 0 blk 4 TO .538/.25/.857 .609 TS
from where im looking, manu has wade badly beat in assists (near double) and turnovers (half), substantially better in steals, better in blocks and percentages.
wade has manu beat in points rebounds but not by much. do you want to explain how wade is better?
Manu does so much more for the team than he is given credit by many of the so-call Spurs fans. Manu (along with other players) was willing to accept less pay for the betterment of the Team. If you compared what Wade gets paid vs Manu, would you still be wanting Wade? I haven't looked up the pay scale of the two players and don't want to, but I bet there is a big difference. Anyone know?
Gervin was never a PG. Always a SG/SF...
Jordan/Clyde/Kobe/Miller were also not PGs
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