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    So again, DAN, why did you evern bring this up? What is wrong with it?

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    i think he believes this is militarizing our borders

    which can be a bad thing
    but also a good thing

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    i think he believes this is militarizing our borders

    which can be a bad thing
    but also a good thing
    So which is better?

    A.Having a bunch of untrained civillians patrolling our border taking justice into their own hands.

    B.Spending tons of money on more Border Patrol agents to cover the area better.

    C. Spend a small amount of money to better direct and control current agents using a system that has already been tested and can easily be implemented.

    ???

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    What are these drones protecting us against? We already know that there are tons of immigrants sneaking across the boarder and where they are coming through. So is catching them on expensive cameras really going to make a big difference? Also, I'm not keen on the idea of these possibly armed drones patrolling areas around Gulf Coast refineries. The last thing we need now is a 'accident' at a TX refinery that is made to look like a terrorist act.

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    that is true

    useruser666 we don't know if these planes are an automatically cheaper option

    plus, what are they going to do? Shoot missles at the aliens or pick them up and take them back to mexico? We're going to need manpower to properly guard the border in either case

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    They definetly are a cheaper option. They are the best means of survilence this country has. They require interaction with group personel, but much less ground personel than would be required to do the job alone.

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    What are these drones protecting us against? We already know that there are tons of immigrants sneaking across the boarder and where they are coming through. So is catching them on expensive cameras really going to make a big difference? Also, I'm not keen on the idea of these possibly armed drones patrolling areas around Gulf Coast refineries. The last thing we need now is a 'accident' at a TX refinery that is made to look like a terrorist act.
    What the are you smoking? You complain about the minute men patroling the border. You complain about how we should not spend money in Iraq and instead focus it on security here. Then you say there is a possiblity that the US government or military will use the Predator to fire missles on US refineries and blame terrorists? OMFG!!! You are so full of . The planes would be there to PROTECT the area and monitor su ious activity along the border or other patrol zones. What would be more likely: a highly publicized aircraft firing a HIGHLY visablie missle at a refinery, or someone on the inside planting explosives in a key location? You're so full of you must have to do a hand stand when you go to the restroom.

    And the Predator drones would be MUCH cheaper than current methods of patrol and reconnoissance. They also cover a MUCH larger area. They also can cover an area for MUCH longer than a traditional aircraft. Then there is the FACT that you do not put as many agents lives on the line out in the field. The drones can also cover remote areas and ones where there is limited to no access.

    Don't worry Dan, they haven't fully developed remote brain wave scans just yet. Come back here when you can come up with some real reasoning.

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    protecting the border should be a priority

    it will be more expensive, but if we employ a greater force to patrol this helps people get jobs...

    but my feelings towards machines are very 20th centuryesqe...so i lean towards NBAdan on this one. if Skynet ever becomes self aware and we have loads of un-manned missle carrying planes just a couple hundred miles away it will suck

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    because its far easier for anyone to get into the country than people are led to think

    people who are not citizens
    Why not patrol the Canadian border?

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    Why not patrol the Canadian border?

    exactly. we should patrol that as well. thats what i am saying. I dont think things are properly set up for globalization or at least country-by-country unifcation in terms of the people. i think the us should keep its borders intact, for a while longer. they dont have to be isolated but for the love of god keep those borders intact. i guess these machines are a good idea but i like the idea of manned machines better.

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    The only way this program will be a failure is if some misguided missile doesn't take out Dan's house along the way

    Right now the BP essentially runs around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to catch illegals.

    There's only so many BP agents. This will allow them to be more effectively deployed.

    As for the Canada border issue, it's simple...

    Canada is actively screening those coming into its country (air an sea). Mexico is distributing pamphlets telling people how to cross the border and stay.

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    protecting the border should be a priority

    it will be more expensive, but if we employ a greater force to patrol this helps people get jobs...

    but my feelings towards machines are very 20th centuryesqe...so i lean towards NBAdan on this one. if Skynet ever becomes self aware and we have loads of un-manned missle carrying planes just a couple hundred miles away it will suck
    I hope skynet sends a terminator for Dan.

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    I hope skynet sends a terminator for Dan.

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    That movie called "Stealth" ... is in part based on Technology that Brooks AFB has played a part in.. well the part where the good guys shoot the ing thing down hehhe. At Brooks I was in meetings in the 90's talking about unmanned fighters and at least my opinion was that it was a bad idea. I guess since you have a human controller on predator so it's still not really unmanned.

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    these should old be used to spy on the mexican,and candian borders, I don't think these should be used in the "they live" and "1984" ways to monitor anything other then looking at the opposite country before entering our country.

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    I hope skynet sends a terminator for Dan.
    Haven't you heard? Skynet is God (shheee! she's listening!).


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    Unmanned vehicles are the future for the airforce. Whether they are controlled by a human operator at a ground station via datalink or wheather they are smart cruise missles that fly with a computer based system or a combination of the 2, it will be the future.

    Regardless of any unfounded fears started by movies like the Terminator and Stealth, the opportunity to remove the risk of human injury is something very worth pursuing.

    People have a difficult time realizing that a pilot does nothing but make decisions based on observation and training, and that is something that is able to be done by a computer program.

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    People have a difficult time realizing that a pilot does nothing but make decisions based on observation and training, and that is something that is able to be done by a computer program.
    Removing the humanity from war? Is that what we really want? Faceless, uncaring killing machines. Wasn't there another movie about that?

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    Let's be fair about this, especially the dorky panic from Dan...

    While the vehicles are unmanned, they still have a pilot flying it back at base. They've just removed the pilot element from the vehicle.

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    over border YES over civilans NO that is my policy and it stays until people are stoped from leaving the us then no to even on border

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    Some doofus is going to get killed.

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    it stays until people are stoped from leaving the us then no to even on border
    English, please.

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    IF or when the United States of America decided to forceable STOP the citzens of this great nation from leaving the USA. Then I will Be againts the USA using drones to spy and fire on citzens that wish to leave the US for any reason.

    Examples:
    EAST/WEST German berlin wall
    N.Korea
    Cuba

    I belive that the drones shoudl only be used on borders and to spy and do missions AWAY from the USA. NOT to spy on AMERICAns in the USA.

    IF at a point the USA trys to use these "tools" againt the Americans EVEN on the BORDER then I am againts them even in used on the border.

    sorry you don't know how to read.

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    Unmanned vehicles are the future for the airforce. Whether they are controlled by a human operator at a ground station via datalink or wheather they are smart cruise missles that fly with a computer based system or a combination of the 2, it will be the future.

    Regardless of any unfounded fears started by movies like the Terminator and Stealth, the opportunity to remove the risk of human injury is something very worth pursuing.

    People have a difficult time realizing that a pilot does nothing but make decisions based on observation and training, and that is something that is able to be done by a computer program.
    Yea Manny and when the Chinese take over the control and use our own fighters back on us then what?

    No it's 100% better to have a human pilot ... with some use of unmanned for certain missions. Not only that there is a shortage of airline pilots today. A lot of them come from the military. Now with modern glass pits you only need 1 person for strike / recon / Air Cap so that reduces costs.

    But we need good fighter pilots.. not some robots that can be turned against us.

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