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No salary cap in MLB makes it a bad model to follow in the NBA, especially when team chemistry is so critical to success or failure of a team, even with a top-shelf superstar. Just ask the T-pups.
Those people are idiots.There are people in Dallas that say the only reason the Spurs beat the Mavs in the playoffs in '03(?) is because Nowitzki got hurt
The Spurs beat the Mavericks easier when Nowitzki was healthy than when he was hurt.
No salary cap in MLB makes it a bad model to follow in the NBA, especially when team chemistry is so critical to success or failure of a team, even with a top-shelf superstar. Just ask the T-pups.
Nowitzki is nowhere near TD or Shaq in terms of talent and skill. The Mavs never really built their team around Nowitzki as much as they built it around their Big 3.
Fans think every player drafted will be a star. There's no way anyone realistically knew that a 21 year old Manu Ginobili would star in the NBA.And I thought Ginobili was going to be a star the day the Spurs drafted him. Why wouldn't the Spurs? The reason Ginobili wasn't a higher pick is because he wasn't going to be immediately available, and the Spurs' SYSTEM allowed them the luxury of not having to spend a pick on someone who could contribute right away.
And getting Ginobili was pure luck. Yes, it came as a result of the Spurs' strategy to invest in international scouting, but it's not like the Spurs knew he would star one day.[/QUOTE]
Marcus, that doesn't make sense. Unless you draft a Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, you don't know how good anybody will be. Do you think the Pistons drafting Darko instead of Wade was pure UN-luck, or poor scouting? I don't think the Heat knew that Wade was going to be THIS GOOD, but I'm sure they saw the potential. I think the Spurs realized that Manu had the "chance" to be a star, as much as Detroit thought Darko would be one, and as much as Miami thought Wade could be one.
Again, the Spurs drafted a prospect. They didn't know if he would blow up like he did. Damn. The front office is not clairvoyant, Spurs fans. And neither are you.
I don't think you can come close to calling getting Ginobili "pure lucky" as there were probably 10,000 other basketball players that could have been drafted. When you look at the Spurs draft decision from Parker to Manu to Scola to getting Dallas to draft Giricek to giving up the picks to get guys like Claxton and Nazr, pieces of a le, to the fact they never draft first round busts that take up cap space, it ain't luck. They have done far and away the best job of any NBA club of using the draft choices they've had over the last eight or so years. That's not luck.
Yeah, I heard that one too - repeatedly.
I seem remember Steve Kerr and SJax bustin' their ass in the 4th quarter of that 6th game.
That is revisionism of the highest order. The Spurs had like 2 or 3 international players they liked at #57 and they went with Ginobili. That is, of players who could possibly play in the NBA someday. Not be stars.
You can be a good Spurs fan and not think that the front office is flawless.
Then again, some of you get erections over Holt Cat saving $.
Was it totally unexpected that Ginobili turned out as good as he did? Yes. Did the Spurs identify a player that looked like he had potential? Yes. Did any other NBA team even have Ginobili on their radar? Never that I've heard of.
Now we'll see about Ian. Maybe the Spurs have been "totally lucky" again.
Outside of a handful of players you cannot say that it was known that a player drafted would turn into a star. Yes, teams draft on potential. Yes, the Spurs benefitted from the reluctance of NBA teams to invest in international scouting. But let's simmer down on the Spurs' great moves. They've made their fair share of mistakes and, yes, have been lucky on occasion.
Actaully they haven't made their fair share of mistakes. They've made few and relative small ones and when they make a mistake, like overpaying Malik, overpaying Rasho, they quickly try to remedy it.
They passed on drafting Josh Howard even though he was on their radar, for example.
They signed Ginobili to a 2 year deal without giving themselves the option to make it a 3 year deal which would've given them his full Bird rights. Last summer would've been entirely different if they didn't have to clear up cap flexibility to be able to keep Manu.
And ask Holt Cat if he thinks Rasho's deal is a "small mistake".
As for Rose, that cost 2 1st round picks to "remedy", if you think that was a mistake.
Howard was a peripaheral casualty of the Kidd fiasco. In the bigger picture though the Spurs didn't end up with Kidd so yes sometimes the Spurs are very lucky.
I didn't say they don't make mistakes. They also didn't draft Redd, Arenas, Varejao, Boozer. Nobodies perfect. They did what they needed to rid themselves of the albatross of Malik's contract and they did pick up Nazr.
Well, there you go, another "mistake" for you.
Also, losing Jack the first time and then passing on him in favor of Barry the second time.
They would have been screwed trying to sign Manu in all likelihood if they signed Jack for what he wanted.
Even before Manu signed his contract last year, most people did not know he was going to be a star. I remember knowledgeable guys such as Brodels arguing hard against a big contract for Manu. Here’s what he said:
Even you, picnroll argued for $45 million.
I tend to believe the FO got lucky with Manu. But I still believe the Spurs FO is the best in the business.
Starting point.
Actually Spurs are lucky Manu wasn't a FA this year or he would have easily gotten a max deal. Lucky it took awhile for Manu to adjust to the Spurs' style and Pop to adjust to Manu or he would have been more important and expensive when the Spurs did sign him. If you remember Manu coming into the league many experts pegged him as likely ROY, before the injury. Spurs get lucky again.
Sure, but the flip side is that they could've lost him last year if they weren't able to free up the cap flexibility needed to have kept him. They are very lucky he didn't end up being like the Warriors did with Arenas. They were very fortunate to have Horry amenable to take a pay cut for a year.Starting point.
Actually Spurs are lucky Manu wasn't a FA this year or he would have easily gotten a max deal. Lucky it took awhile for Manu to adjust to the Spurs' style and Pop to adjust to Manu or he would have been more important and expensive when the Spurs did sign him. If you remember Manu coming into the league many experts pegged him as likely ROY, before the injury. Spurs get lucky again.
True.
They were lucky with his individual selection in the draft. Yes, they had embraced the general strategy of scouting overseas and selecting international players to play elsewhere and develop.I tend to believe the FO got lucky with Manu. But I still believe the Spurs FO is the best in the business.
I'm not arguing that the Spurs don't have an excellent front office, but you take away Tim Duncan from this team and maybe in a few years it could taste the postseason.
You meant Bowen . . .?
How much was Horry's salary last season versus the season prior?
And yeah, Bowen helped out a little too.
Two points.
For the record, had the Spurs not passed on Josh Howard, they would not be in this perpetual search for Bowen's understudy.
Second point, had the FO made the mistake and signed JKidd, their salary cap situation would have been shot to "holy ". Is there anyone out there that thinks that would have been a good move today? I didn't think so.
So yes, the FO has made some errors along the way.
Spurs were lucky to get Duncan, Spurs were lucky that several teams passed on Parker, Spurs did not know Manu was going to be a star, Holt Cat is a cheapskate. With all this gross mismanagement and luck, we should go ahead and send the trophies back to the league office...the Spurs certainly didn't earn them. Marcus, I normally don't have a problem with your posts, in fact, you provide lots of good information and facts. However, the only thing you didn't cover was how lucky the City of San Antonio was for getting an NBA franchise. While we're at it, how lucky was it that volunteers defended the Alamo...never mind, we lost that game. For God's sake man, eject while you are still a Spurs fan and while you still have some dignity left!
But we won the le that year!While we're at it, how lucky was it that volunteers defended the Alamo...never mind, we lost that game.
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