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    Can handle TheTruth Ginofan's Avatar
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    I agree, I think we keep alot of these guys on death row too long with all the appeals and too.
    But what if they really are innocent? Everyonce in a while that comes about and what a huge mistake would've been made if they had just gone ahead and killed the inmate so soon after trial.

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    None of this means he is not capable of doing it again. What if he was to go back into society and someone pisses him off enough or gets fired from another job? too risky.
    Oh dont get me wrong, I totally agree with you.

    Just scary that he didnt have a typical background for this type of offense.

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    Not in Texas, unless you count getting killed in prison.

    Yes, there is. Don't ask me how I know this.

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    But what if they really are innocent? Everyonce in a while that comes about and what a huge mistake would've been made if they had just gone ahead and killed the inmate so soon after trial.
    True, but is not the case here. I just think there are some than go on much longer that needed.

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    Espada was eligible in 40. The attorneys even brought it up in closing arguements

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    Eh, I'm not touching this thread with a ten foot poll. Assholes like this are why it makes arguing against the death penatly so ing hard.

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    Then it wouldn't have been a *w/o parole* sentence, obviously ... but they do hand those out.

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    Eh, I'm not touching this thread with a ten foot poll. Assholes like this are why it makes arguing against the death penatly so ing hard.


    I'm with you.

    I know something has to be done with violent offenders but I don't want to have anything to do with taking a life, not even legally (i.e. the death penalty.)

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    him!

    He deserves what he gets regardless of his past. He has got no future, you kill someone you get it too.

    I don't want this POS walking the streets. Hopefully anyone else who gets pissed off will see this as a deterent and think before they do something stupid....yeah like that would happen rofl

    There are too many dumb s out there that should be headless or at least missing an arm or two.

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    Eh, I'm not touching this thread with a ten foot poll. Assholes like this are why it makes arguing against the death penatly so ing hard.

    manny thats a cop out...

    i say we string him up and use him for parts...pam anderson needs a new liver no?

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    What a whole tragic event. I have a connection to some of these people involved and I feel so bad for it all. I don't understand why he had to kill his boss over being fired and then killing an innocent woman as well. Makes no sense. Apparently his sister testified that he heard voices in his head that the two of them would hear when they were younger.
    I don't know whether he just snapped or what. Coming from a christian background and his parents feeling that that wasn't the son they raised, who knows what happened. None of it should have occured.

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    Apparently his sister testified that he heard voices in his head that the two of them would hear when they were younger
    Yeah, she testified that they would be put in a closet when they were younger as punishment. One time when they were in there, they saw two glowing red eyes staring at them. She wouldnt talk to "it" b/c she thought it was the devil or a demon but her brother did and after heard voices because of it.

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    One thing this case illustrates is how blurred the line between a human who commits murder and one who does not is. I would personally love to find out how the minds of people who commit these act work. Calling them a monster isn't adequte enough explanation for me.

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    those of you arguing that he should be put to death to save taxpayer's money are showing some serious ignorance of the system. It costs a lot more to carry out the death penalty than to keep someone behind bars for life.

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    It costs a lot more to carry out the death penalty than to keep someone behind bars for life.
    I don't think that's true, but if it is then they should make it more cost-effective. Executing someone is pretty simple and inexpensive.

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    I don't think that's true, but if it is then they should make it more cost-effective. Executing someone is pretty simple and inexpensive.

    Usually when I ask why it costs more than a life term, the number of appeals and those types of things are factored in as well...

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    Would that mean that people with normal life terms to not appeal much?

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    Usually when I ask why it costs more than a life term, the number of appeals and those types of things are factored in as well...
    True. And that's where the problem lies. If you get convicted on the death penalty, IMO you should have one appeal and one appeal only. Then if you are still guilty, be put to death within a very short time frame (less than 1 year). Stretching out death penalty appeals over 15-20 years is ridiculous to me.

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    True. And that's where the problem lies. If you get convicted on the death penalty, IMO you should have one appeal and one appeal only. Then if you are still guilty, be put to death within a very short time frame (less than 1 year). Stretching out death penalty appeals over 15-20 years is ridiculous to me.
    You get the same amount of appeals as you do for any other crime.

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    You get the same amount of appeals as you do for any other crime.
    I know. I'm saying the appeals system is ed up.

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    True. And that's where the problem lies. If you get convicted on the death penalty, IMO you should have one appeal and one appeal only. Then if you are still guilty, be put to death within a very short time frame (less than 1 year). Stretching out death penalty appeals over 15-20 years is ridiculous to me.

    Look at all the people that have been released because of DNA evidence, who knows what kind of advancements will be made in the next years, it's one thing to get life in prison but there is no coming back from DP.

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    Well, what about cases where that last appeal turns out to be the one where the correction is made?

    I happen to think the appeals process needs some work, but not in the same way you do. There are times when they refuse to allow new evidence in all kinds of situations - not simply those involving the death penalty - where I wonder why they do that. I'd also love to see DNA testing more.

    I would honestly hate to see any more power given to the state in regards to any criminal case in ways of limiting our appeals process that much more. Appeals are put in to place to protect the innocent.

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    I know. I'm saying the appeals system is ed up.
    Not when you are really innocent it isn't.

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    It's inevitable that some innocent people get convicted no matter what. I think that if done correctly, one appeal is enough.

    I'm very pro death penalty though. So that's why I don't discuss it that much on the forum. I'm also for some pretty bad type of sentences for child molesters and rapists.

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    Give me a in break.......

    You murder someone you get the death penatly.

    Dont give us that soft hearted bull ....
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