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Great, now you're acting like a little kid.
"I was here first!!"
You miss my point. I'm not saying I don't approve of the action. I am saying I definetly have sympathy for people who have to leave their homes.
Great, now you're acting like a little kid.
"I was here first!!"
Dan, I know you're extremely clueless on anything you don't get from democraticunderground.com, but at least try and get the word intifada right.
Bad analogy. Would your grandparents be OK knowing they had to leave their home because that land was being taken over by the Mexicans?
That's an even worse analogy.
Try... your grandparents settled onto land that their country (let's say Mexico) didn't really have a right to.
Then, 40 years later, someone came to them and said "here's 500K, move."
Ok Duff...I am childish...but you hate Jews. Period.
Are saying Jerusalem is the most holy city in Islam? Because it is for the Jews...Is Jerusalem as of much historical signifigance to the Muslims as it is to the Jews?
Well ...a Christian got killed in Mecca...I guess that makes it a holy city for Christians, 565th on the list of important holy cities of Christians...but that gives us as much claim to it as the Muslims...give us half of it...and let's stick a church over Mohammed's birth house.
That's what the Muslims did.
Saying Jerusalem is as important to Muslims as it is to Jews is stupid.
That's what the muslims say smeagol...even the ones that aren't terrorists....
Just like de-facto...any land that has ever been occupied by muslims is officialy the property of Islam, and they have right to claim as an Islamic state....and those that don't convert to Islam are second class citizens.
The peaceful ones just don't think it's justified to use terrorism to claim it as an Islamic state.
Morally, it would be right for the Israelis to vacate the West Bank as well.
However, it would be far more difficult politically for them to do that.
At no point ever was Gaza a Jewish homeland. That has been the city of the Philistines/Palestinians since antiquity. The settlers were trying to establish "Greater Israel," the full measure of land God promised the Jews in the Old Testament, which stretches from Sinai to Lebanon into Iraq. Only the most zealous of the religious zealots are part of that movement.
But the West Bank is biblical Judea and Samaria. A lot of Jews think that belongs to them. Pulling out of there requires a lot more political capital than Sharon has left.
And, it is folly to think that pulling behind the Green Line will mean peace. The Palestinians will tell us what we want to hear. But they have no intention of tolerating the Jewish state smack dab in the middle of the Dar-al-Islam EVER, even in the Negev.
To them, it is similar to what it would be for us if a bunch of fundamentalist Muslims settled into the Hill Country and declared it an independent Islamic state. We'd resolve to kill every last one of them if we had to do so to get it back. And it would take a lot more than 57 years for us to stop fighting.
The only way the Arabs will relent is if they get the ever-loving beaten out of them so thoroughly that they lose the will to fight. Israel can't and won't do that unless and until they are on the verge of annihilation.
And Israel isn't going to get the support of the international community EVER, because most nations put a much higher priority on cozying up to the folks sitting on top of all the oil than they do the interests of a few million Jews that they don't like anyway.
So, fine, OK, let Israel take the moral high ground and pull out of the occupied territories if they see fit. But don't think it's going to change anything.
They don't take as hard a line on Al-Andalus (Spain) or the Balkans as they do on Palestine.
That's not to say there aren't a good many Moroccans who dream of reconquest in Iberia. But it's not the same as Palestine. Muslims see that as part of their heartland.
as it turns out, my grandparents community was taken over by the Mexicans.
Yeah, Intifada means Arab uprising.
It's sad that the settlers are being forced out of there homes by there own people. In my WH class we did a section on Great Empires of the Past. The muslim empires from the past didn't really have a problem with the jews they let them live among them except without some exclusive rights but, didn't have any problem with them. Now, it's just a mess. Poverty stricken, any maniac can get power and start controlling the goverment, people blaming people. The middle east needs some sort of refreshment like the French Revolution or something similar.
The holiest sites of Islam went: Mecca then Jerusalem then it switched toThat's what the muslims say smeagol...even the ones that aren't terrorists....
Just like de-facto...any land that has ever been occupied by muslims is officialy the property of Islam, and they have right to claim as an Islamic state....and those that don't convert to Islam are second class citizens.
The peaceful ones just don't think it's justified to use terrorism to claim it as an Islamic state.
Mecca, Medina, Jerusalem. At first Muslims were told to face jerusalem at there time of prayer then it was changed after the Kabbah was established. I dunno whottt, a lot of the middle east was controlled by the ottoman and mughal empires and lot's of greece, spain and other parts were controlled by them but, they don't hold it dear to themselves as they do Jerusalem.
Maybe Sharon buried a couple nukes under Gaza
The nuclear fallout would kill them all. This is what I always wondered about Israel, Would they use their nuclear weapons to defend themselves in the case of a land invasion?Maybe Sharon buried a couple nukes under Gaza
I have no doubt Israel would use their nukes in the event an unwinnable situation which endangered their existance.
And this is one of the best ed cartoons of all time:
There is no appeasing the murderous, bigotted, demonic Islamic terrorist. Their anti-zionism and anti-God mentality ends when their miserable wretched God-forsaken life ends.
72 virgins in heaven lustfully awaiting them? No, millions of unrepentant s await them in and they won't be available!
Saturday, August 20, 2005
Just as Abbas spoke, dozens of masked Hamas (search) gunmen briefly took over Gaza City's central square, keeping police cruisers at bay as they announced they would not halt attacks despite Israel's withdrawal. Their appearance in the park was a direct challenge to Abbas, who has appealed to militants not to flaunt their weapons in public. It also underscored the reluctance of police to confront gunmen.
The Hamas gunmen said they would continue attacks until Israel (search) also withdraws from the West Bank and east Jerusalem.
"This retreat [by Israel] does not mean the end of our battle, but it is the beginning," said one gunman, who only gave his nom-de-guerre, Abu Obeidah.
A sign on a nearby wall said, "My dream is not going to be completed without Jerusalem."
"We will not stand with our hands tied as the remainder that our land remains occupied and our holy sites are desecrated," Abu Obeidah said. "We will work to strengthen the resistance in these areas for the resistance is the only thing that will kick them out of these areas."
Hamas opposes the existence of Israel and has killed hundreds of Israelis in attacks.
Damn thses guys from Hamas.
If they think they will own Jerusalem, then these conflict will not end until one of the sides is totally annihilated or if one side simply gives up. And it's safe to say the Jews are not giving up Jerusalem the same way the Muslims would never give up Mecca.
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