Iverson isn't just a point guard, he's the best

**1Parker1** · 08-19-2005

Not that I'm saying Parker shouldn't be somewhere around # 7-9. I'm just saying guys like Arenas, Parker, and even Heinrich are better than Bibby.

**Leetonidas** · 08-19-2005

I agree with this artice. The only player that I look up to this side of Tim Duncan is Allen Iverson. AI is kind of the reason I started watching basketball, because the guy was so intense, and he brought everything to the court and showed what playing with heart could do. He's not like one of these pussy players complaining about money, he's not like T-Mac or VC, saying he didn't give 100% everynight, I say AI is the 2nd best player right behind Timmy.

AI could be MVP year in and year out if his team showed the same intensity he did. I feel bad because Allen wants to be a Sixer for life, which is very comendable, but he'll never win a le there, and he deserves to.

**CaptainLate** · 08-19-2005

Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded

he's
1) (mostly) white
2) (realtively) Clean cut
3) Plays for a big market team

Sacramento is "big market"?

**1Parker1** · 08-19-2005

Originally Posted by TexasBalla1001

AI could be MVP year in and year out if his team showed the same intensity he did. I feel bad because Allen wants to be a Sixer for life, which is very comendable, but he'll never win a le there, and he deserves to.

Very true, I can't believe he's 30 years old. Billy King is worse than Isiah Thomas. At least Thomas adds no good quality players around more no good quality players. King has really done a poor job of surrounding talent around a quality player like AI. Not many teams have such great players to build their teams arounds. Not to mention the good coaches he's wasted (aside from LB).

If he had surrounded AI with better players when AI was in his prime, Sixers could have gone much further than they did. That Webber trade had to be the stupiest trade ever. At the time, I had high hopes for it, but after watching C WEBB, it's obvious his injury had taken a toll on his play.

**JUUOT** · 08-19-2005

Iverson, Nash and Billups are clearly top 3 to me.
but the other7 are hard to classify. parker is somewhere betwwen 4 and 9...
at the endofnext year we will see if he belongs to top 5. However let s not worry

Iverson 1975
Nash74
kidd73
billups 76
marbury 77

maturity is 28-30 years old and at 23 parker is top 10 easely...

**milkyway21** · 08-20-2005

Originally Posted by SBCgirl

Iverson Is one of my favorite players... He deserves a championship ring.

I would trade Tony Parker for Iverson In a heartbeat!

i agree with AI as #1. NBA's top scorer, always on top 3 in steals, and ave. 7+ assists a game?

And he definitely gave a lot of headache to some power teams in the east in the last playoffs.

and I 'd only trade TP for AI. not for ageing Kidd or Nash, anytime.

**baseline bum** · 08-20-2005

They had Amare, Marion, and Johnson in 2004 and didn't make the playoffs.... but I'd take Iverson over any other point in this league. Billups would be a distant second, followed by Kidd, Nash, Davis, Parker, and then Arenas.

**milkyway21** · 08-20-2005

for me he's one player who is hard to defend. he shoots in a very awkward position. Even S.A. find it hard to defend A.I. I don't really notice how he matches against Bowen.
Not to mention he's one, if not the fastest player in the league.

**DesiSpur_21** · 08-20-2005

I'd put Parker above Marbury, Bibby and Baron Davis.

**xcoriate** · 08-20-2005

Great Article. I think I agree as well. It would depend on who I wanted to lead my team. Do I need scoring or do I have enough scoring? It's important in the decision. Lets face it Nash can flat out shoot as well, he ranks all time for 3p%. So hes no mug.

As for Parker I feel his ranking is reasonable. I was slightly dissapointed with his distrabution this playoffs in particular. He was really getting it going and then he just couldn't create when it came to the finals. If he ever gets it all working similtaneously, the jumpshot, the floaters, the assists as well as the new improved defence then he becomes a top 3 point. Maybe even the best in the league.

**my2sons** · 08-20-2005

in most cases you would want iverson over nash but not necessarily in phoenix. 7.9 assists in phoenix may not be enough. how could iverson lead the league in scoring and still make his teamates happy. how many of his assists in philly were caused because he was doubled or tripled and could not get off a selfish shot so he had to pass. too selfish for all the weapons that phoe has. his teamates in philly know he's going to shoot and need to get open to bail him out, where nash's teamates know he is a pass first point guard, until you get into the playoffs that is

**ObiwanGinobili** · 08-20-2005

the top 3 shouls've been :

1. Nash
2. AI
3. Chauncey

and no way Bibby is #6....more like #8. I'm not saying he sucks.. I'm saying he's overrated.

**Vashner** · 08-20-2005

How many rings does Iverson have again?

I don't think he's anywhere near "the best"... at what? Selfish ball playing?

Iverson is a ball hog on crappy teams.. so what his stats are bloated..

He is NOT a champion... not yet anyway.

**duncan_21** · 08-20-2005

Originally Posted by BillsCarnage

Kidd is the most overrated PG in the past 15yrs. Having watched him for years here and the WC in general he will never lead a team to a le. I can't place a finger on it exactly, but he's lacking something. Something leadership wise and running a team when it counts.

It's called not having a jump shot.

**baseline bum** · 08-20-2005

Kidd looked pretty freaking good when he singlehandedly won game 2 of the 2003 Finals in the SBC Center.

**Sense** · 08-20-2005

Iverson is one of the most overrated players in the league.

**Dex** · 08-20-2005

My first thread on Spurstalk was a debate over whether Parker was a Top 10 point gaurd or not. The general (non-homer) consensus ended up being that he wasn't, but he was damn close.

Glad to see he's making his way up in the League, especially since he's a few years ahead of the game as compared to the rest of the compe ion. Nobody seems to be arguing about that 8 spot now (which is, ironically, about where I figured he would be in my original list)

At least now he's the point gaurd with the most bling.

**Dex** · 08-20-2005

Originally Posted by Sense

Iverson is one of the most overrated players in the league.

The guy is a 27-6-2 career player. You can't overrate that. He put up 30.7 points, 7.9 assists, and 2.4 steals last season, and earned his fourth scoring le. He even rebounds decently for his position. He always plays with every ounce of heart that he can muster, and his biggest fault is that he tries to do too much by himself. But you can't really blame him for that, since he's never had a premiere team to help him get things done.

And yet, since he hasn't won a le (which, if you ask me, is due to no fault of his own), people still don't seem consider him in the elite echelon of players. He's just very, very good to most, which you really can't deny when you watch him play. He even carried that hunk of junk Sixers team into the playoffs almost single-handedly, which is a feat within itself.

If Iverson is overrated, then the Iceman is overrated for the very same reasons.

**Leetonidas** · 08-20-2005

Originally Posted by Vashner

How many rings does Iverson have again?

I don't think he's anywhere near "the best"... at what? Selfish ball playing?

Iverson is a ball hog on crappy teams.. so what his stats are bloated..

He is NOT a champion... not yet anyway.

Are you kidding me? Look at who he's surrounded with, his team sucks, which is why he usually has to take over the game. But look at his stats, 30.7 points and 7.9 assists? Yeah, a REAL ball hog.

**mavsfan1000** · 08-20-2005

I am not questioning Iverson's heart and what he does at his height is amazing. He does have some flaws in his game though. Even though he averages 7.9 APG, he shoots over 20 shots a game so that doesn't impress. Another thing is he averages 4.59 TO. That is a ton of turnovers and doesn't make for a reliable point guard. He takes alot of risks on defense to try to get steals but alot of times that breaks down the defense and makes it easier for the other team to score. I feel to be a top 5 player your flaws can't be that noticable. He has never been a high percentage shooter either from 3 pointers or field goals.

**Chris** · 08-20-2005

Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

He has never been a high percentage shooter either from 3 pointers or field goals.

BLASPHEMY!

**mavsfan1000** · 08-20-2005

Can you prove me wrong that he is a high percentage shooter?

**Chris** · 08-21-2005

Originally Posted by mavsfan1000

Can you prove me wrong that he is a high percentage shooter?

He averages at about 45% on both so you have got me there. But just look at these current numbers and tell me he's not great.

Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game(30.7)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Assists Per Game(7.9)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals Per Game(2.4)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game(42.3)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Minutes Played(3174.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Made(771.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts(1818.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws(656.0)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(786.0)
Ranks #3 in the NBA in Assists(596.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Steals(180.0)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points(2302.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes(11.66)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes(27.49)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(9.92)
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(11.89)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes(9.0)
Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes(2.72)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(34.8)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Total Turnovers(344.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(1865.0)
Ranks #7 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(24.87)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game(4.59)
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes(5.2)

**mavsfan1000** · 08-21-2005

He is highly involved in the game so his stats should be high. I give it to him he never gets tired but I would rather go with a guy shoots well, rebounds well, and isn't a turnover machine. Stats can be a good thing but when there are alot of bad stats that subtracts from the good that he does. I would rather have Nash as a point guard or Billups. Iverson plays out of control too much and it hurts the teams rhythm also.

**my2sons** · 08-21-2005

Originally Posted by TexasBalla1001

Are you kidding me? Look at who he's surrounded with, his team sucks, which is why he usually has to take over the game. But look at his stats, 30.7 points and 7.9 assists? Yeah, a REAL ball hog.

then why is it so hard to attract players that want to play with him...perception is reality....the perception is that allen is a black hole thus the reality is why would 'i superstar' want to go play with him....is 7.9 an abberation or is it because he's gonna have the ability to heave the ball up 45 times a night that 7 or eight of those will go to a teamate for a layup

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