Rockets: :lmao top GM

[DMC]

Well the Rockets did so well last year it's hard to imagine getting rid of anyone tbh.

[djohn2oo8]

Wow - is this representative of general Rocket fan logic and comprehension?

The guys didn't say that "no GM's" will pick up their phone. They said some, so the fact LA (who's been awful at GM'ing for a while now) picked up their phone does not refute anything they said.

Also, with regards to the "raping in trades part". Ya, a contract that HOU so magically offered and overpaid Lin for now had to be dumped for their own first round pick to undo their original stupidity. Good call

Raping in trades means stockpiling picks which is what he does. Yeah giving a pick away with Lin is stupid, getting a potential lottery pick for a disgruntled C outweighs one ty mistake. Also, because some guys allegedly won't pick up the phone, why do you think that is?

[Clipper Nation]

Because he will rape them in trades.

Funny, all Morey's been doing lately is getting raped in trades

[DPG21920]

Yes, because Morey and his magical trade raping powers and their unlimited deep playoff runs have other teams running scared. Use your head. Again, is this really a good representation of Rocket fan in general?

[AaronY]

Typical spurstalk hyperbole. Guy's either Gandhi or Stalin. Einstein or Gump. No in between.

[Double-Up]

Yes, because Morey and his magical trade raping powers and their unlimited deep playoff runs have other teams running scared. Use your head. Again, is this really a good representation of Rocket fan in general?

Look Morey is a very good GM top 5 but he's made his share of mistakes. He was able to turn a roster into Harden and Howard and usually draft's very well.

[djohn2oo8]

Yes, because Morey and his magical trade raping powers and their unlimited deep playoff runs have other teams running scared. Use your head. Again, is this really a good representation of Rocket fan in general?

Your argument is making no sense. The problem is coaching ( which has nothing to do with trading) not roster talent.

[Double-Up]

...and he's done all of his work without getting a top 5 pick ever.

[djohn2oo8]

...and he's done all of his work without getting a top 5 pick ever.

Let them go.

[DPG21920]

Look Morey is a very good GM top 5 but he's made his share of mistakes. He was able to turn a roster into Harden and Howard and usually draft's very well.

Just because you have Harden/Howard doesn't mean you've done your job. Name or not, coaching or not, it's about results which HOU has not had. Then you factor in paying that much for Harden to be your main guy (doesn't look like a number one guy), bringing in Dwight when you already have ASIK (which then killed ASIK's value for your team) and paying ASIK/LIN like you did (mistake, especially after you bring in Dwight) which leads you to having to give up a pick to dump Lin.

Then you trade away your players (ASIK/LIN) and pay to do so and actually become worse on the court this year (while older and more expensive), while losing assets (both on the court and future) - especially if you don't match Parsons. Even if you match Parsons, you now are still older & more expensive and only slightly worse than last year at this point. Then doing what you did (not picking up Parson's option) when you had no guarantees of getting a key FA is just damn silly.

All around, this is not fantasy basketball. The results (including the coach you have which a GM should play a role in) speak for themselves and no matter how much you want to cloud the issue, Morey has not done a great job at all.

[Thread]

...and he's done all of his work without getting a top 5 pick ever.

& don't ferget your old Dalekins. I've been sidin' ya the entire way.

[djohn2oo8]

Just because you have Harden/Howard doesn't mean you've done your job. Name or not, coaching or not, it's about results which HOU has not had. Then you factor in paying that much for Harden to be your main guy (doesn't look like a number one guy), bringing in Dwight when you already have ASIK (which then killed ASIK's value for your team) and paying ASIK/LIN like you did (mistake, especially after you bring in Dwight) which leads you to having to give up a pick to dump Lin.

Then you trade away your players (ASIK/LIN) and pay to do so and actually become worse on the court this year (while older and more expensive), while losing assets (both on the court and future) - especially if you don't match Parsons. Even if you match Parsons, you now are still older & more expensive and only slightly worse than last year at this point. Then doing what you did (not picking up Parson's option) when you had no guarantees of getting a key FA is just damn silly.
All around, this is not fantasy basketball. The results (including the coach you have which a GM should play a role in) speak for themselves and no matter how much you want to cloud the issue, Morey has not done a great job at all.

I agree the results have not been there. However, they weren't there before Morey got there and that includes McGrady AND Yao both of who were not acquired by Morey. They were Les Alexander picks. And really? Sorry, Asik doesn't impact the game like Dwight does and that move gets made 10 times out of 10. Don't care which GM. Lin was nothing but a PR stunt to milk the asian market yet again after Yao and keep the seats full, after which they spent like 4 years on the mediocrity treadmill due to Yao AND McGrady breaking down, there was no way Yao was being traded. There was no way Alexander was giving up his cash cow willingly, which handcuffed the team. During those 9th pick years, Alexander told Morey to keep the team entertaining, but do not tank. His philosophy was to tank, Alexander's wasn't. Alexander wanted starpower, but after being rejected star by star, he gave into throwing away a season, hence the crazy offers for Asik and Lin. It was an unfortunate turn of events for Lin, no one saw Harden being traded to Houston so that was a mistake bringing in Lin but not for the reasons you think.

We won't agree about the Asik trade, that is a damn good pick. Lin, sure. Alexander got tired of paying Adelman big money and not making the playoffs. He wanted a cheaper coach, and McHale was ok for a tanking team. But then Harden and Dwight came and he is obviously not a good fit. The results had not been there for years before Morey. Yao and McGrady could have set them back alotttt longer, it was Morey who turned them into a top 4 West team by stocking picks, which has become a trend in the league btw (Ainge, Suns). In regards to results, this was Harden's second year and Dwight's first. This is what he wanted and it's simply too early to judge.

[DPG21920]

Sooooooo, HOU just got older (swapped Parsons for Ariza), worse (swapped Parsons for Ariza, lost ASIK, lost Lin) & more expensive (instead of Parsons on a really cheap deal, now have Ariza for 8M).

Just an indefensible decision to not pick up the option and let him go. Gave up Parsons/Lin/Asik for Ariza.

[sook]

Sooooooo, HOU just got older (swapped Parsons for Ariza), worse (swapped Parsons for Ariza, lost ASIK, lost Lin) & more expensive (instead of Parsons on a really cheap deal, now have Ariza for 8M).

Just an indefensible decision to not pick up the option and let him go. Gave up Parsons/Lin/Asik for Ariza.

Wouldn't trade Asik last season because he wanted two 1st rounders. Dork Elvis is getting exposed, I defended him from time to time despite being a big critic...but those days are over. The guy is a gambler on the asset treadmill ...with little relation to basketball.

[Findog]

Traded Jelemy Rin to the Rakers.

[Pelicans78]

Sure, but New Orleans is not a threat. Not yet at least. Dallas OTOH, is quietly assembling a better team and the addition of Parsons could be of great value. They are a threat to Houston's hopes of advancing.

If we can stay healthy, we're a threat, even without a legitimate SF on the roster. The team is young but a lot of upside plus Davis can be a top 5 player this season.

[mystargtr34]

Houston ed up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off? There may not be results to show for it yet, but to think they won't have playoff success in the near future is a ballsy bet imo. At least they have something too build around.

But as for now.. Lol Rockets.

[Clipper Nation]

Houston ed up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off?

In other words, he's gone from one treadmill team to another.... the Hawks have been doing that for years now without any of the props that Morey gets, tbh....

[HemisfairArena]

Houston ed up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off? There may not be results to show for it yet, but to think they won't have playoff success in the near future is a ballsy bet imo. At least they have something too build around.

But as for now.. Lol Rockets.

This Rocket team has no heart,,,,they are a joke with Harden at the helm.

[mystargtr34]

In other words, he's gone from one treadmill team to another.... the Hawks have been doing that for years now without any of the props that Morey gets, tbh....

I don't get that comparison.. the Hawks never had real star power or potential to do anything even on those Joe Johnson/Horford teams. Howard and Harden are both top 10 players.. if you put the right pieces around them.. they could win a couple of playoff series. Morey ed up this off season.. but he has put the Rockets in a way better position than they were in 24 months ago.

[DPG21920]

Houston ed up royally this off season but lets not pretend Morey is a scrub GM.. the Rockets went from a Kevin Martin-Luis Scola lead team to Howard-Harden in the space of 12 months.. how many GM's could pull that off? There may not be results to show for it yet, but to think they won't have playoff success in the near future is a ballsy bet imo. At least they have something too build around.

But as for now.. Lol Rockets.

What has he done? He paid a premium for Harden (ok, credit to him for putting HOU in a position to have the money and strike a trade with OKC). He maneuvered to get Dwight (and paid the most you could to do so) - ok, credit there for putting together two decent pieces.

So because he brought two max paid talented players together he's automatically not a scrub? What has that produced? What about the questionable Lin/Asik contracts he gave out? What about giving out the questionable contracts to Lin/Asik, then having to give up assets to dump them a couple years later?

What about not picking up the option on Parsons and whiffing on all your main targets? What about then losing Parsons in free agency on top of trading Lin/Asik so your team that you had around Dwight/Harden is now less deep, older and more expensive?

How about keeping this obviously poor coach around?

How about giving up picks that you will need because your cap situation is approaching some serious trouble with the Harden/Dwight/Ariza core and not a lot of draft assets to help with cheap talent?

So while Morey gets credit for brining in Harden & Dwight, the questions are: Has it actually yielded results? Have the other moves been good? How does their future look? What assets does he have and has he made more good moves than bad?

To me, it's a resounding no. It's one thing to be willing to take risks, it's another thing to squander many opportunities foolishly.

[DPG21920]

This is a guy who's been the Houston GM for 7 YEARS! They have either missed the playoffs or been bounced in the first round in all 7 IIRC. How is that a good track record. I'd get if it was year 2 and he made the Harden/Dwight moves, but this is a GM who's been given some good resources (more than many other GM's IMO) and for 7 years has nothing to show for it.

The only + mark on his resume has now been somewhat jaded with his moves too. If doing one sort of good thing in 7 years is all it takes to be considered to be a top 5 GM, I am leaving right now to pursue that dream.

[Mel_13]

What has he done? He paid a premium for Harden (ok, credit to him for putting HOU in a position to have the money and strike a trade with OKC). He maneuvered to get Dwight (and paid the most you could to do so) - ok, credit there for putting together two decent pieces.

So because he brought two max paid talented players together he's automatically not a scrub? What has that produced? What about the questionable Lin/Asik contracts he gave out? What about giving out the questionable contracts to Lin/Asik, then having to give up assets to dump them a couple years later?

What about not picking up the option on Parsons and whiffing on all your main targets? What about then losing Parsons in free agency on top of trading Lin/Asik so your team that you had around Dwight/Harden is now less deep, older and more expensive?

How about keeping this obviously poor coach around?

How about giving up picks that you will need because your cap situation is approaching some serious trouble with the Harden/Dwight/Ariza core and not a lot of draft assets to help with cheap talent?

So while Morey gets credit for brining in Harden & Dwight, the questions are: Has it actually yielded results? Have the other moves been good? How does their future look? What assets does he have and has he made more good moves than bad?

To me, it's a resounding no. It's one thing to be willing to take risks, it's another thing to squander many opportunities foolishly.

Letting Dragic walk and then signing Lin for a higher annual salary than Dragic got from the Suns.

[HemisfairArena]

This is a guy who's been the Houston GM for 7 YEARS! They have either missed the playoffs or been bounced in the first round in all 7 IIRC. How is that a good track record. I'd get if it was year 2 and he made the Harden/Dwight moves, but this is a GM who's been given some good resources (more than many other GM's IMO) and for 7 years has nothing to show for it.

The only + mark on his resume has now been somewhat jaded with his moves too. If doing one sort of good thing in 7 years is all it takes to be considered to be a top 5 GM, I am leaving right now to pursue that dream.

That's the point. This Morey dude is a joke. Wake me up Houston when you actually do something with this roster of "greatness".

[DPG21920]

Letting Dragic walk and then signing Lin for a higher annual salary than Dragic got from the Suns.

Thanks, Mel . I knew I couldn't remember all the questionable moves.