Knicks: More proof MVPau is MVPau

[jimbo]

Biggest pet peeve in all team sports is arbitralily stating like this like it actually means anything.

Ok, I called you an idiot before...now you're just simply in the realm of "your opinion is invalid and basketballreference.com is god ". Stay upstairs and enjoy your team's le. Also if you haven't actually watched the lakers play of the eras you mentioned you really don't have a valid arguement and offer nothing of any value. Keep looking up stats though...you're pretty good at it. Parrots do what parrots do bro.

As if anyone other than Kobestan puts him above Magic or Kareem or even Shaq on their all time lists. So once you throw out basketball greatness as the qualifier for "greatest Laker", all you've got left is " b-b-but Kobe exemplifies what it means to be a Laker "

I don't know who the would want a quitting rapist sociopath as the embodiment of the Laker franchise. He ing went on the radio and talked about how he wanted to leave y'all in the dust and you're still wanting to blow him? If you somehow haven't realized that you're the abuse taking girlfriend in this situation yet, you just did.

[pgardn]

As if anyone other than Kobestan puts him above Magic or Kareem or even Shaq on their all time lists. So once you throw out basketball greatness as the qualifier for "greatest Laker", all you've got left is " b-b-but Kobe exemplifies what it means to be a Laker "

I don't know who the would want a quitting rapist sociopath as the embodiment of the Laker franchise. He ing went on the radio and talked about how he wanted to leave y'all in the dust and you're still wanting to blow him? If you somehow haven't realized that you're the abuse taking girlfriend in this situation yet, you just did.

damn good...

[Killakobe81]

As if anyone other than Kobestan puts him above Magic or Kareem or even Shaq on their all time lists. So once you throw out basketball greatness as the qualifier for "greatest Laker", all you've got left is " b-b-but Kobe exemplifies what it means to be a Laker "

I don't know who the would want a quitting rapist sociopath as the embodiment of the Laker franchise. He ing went on the radio and talked about how he wanted to leave y'all in the dust and you're still wanting to blow him? If you somehow haven't realized that you're the abuse taking girlfriend in this situation yet, you just did.

2nd greatest Laker period. Him being an asshole and commiting adultery doesn't change that.

[lefty]

2nd greatest Laker

[Clipper Nation]

2nd greatest Laker period. Him being an asshole and commiting adultery doesn't change that.

[jimbo]

2nd greatest Laker period. Him being an asshole and commiting adultery doesn't change that.

Eh. Him wanting to quit(PERIOD) has to knock him down to the same level as a non lifetime Laker. I get why you'd think he's #2, but if it were up to him he'd have left your ass for the Bulls. At least Kareem retired a Laker.

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Eh. Him wanting to quit(PERIOD) has to knock him down to the same level as a non lifetime Laker. I get why you'd think he's #2, but if it were up to him he'd have left your ass for the Bulls. At least Kareem retired a Laker.

You've had your quitters. You've no room. Without Bryant we're light 5 and at 11.

Your 5 were just as bloody as our 16. You're just permitted to hide your bloodshed.

[jimbo]

You've had your quitters. You've no room. Without Bryant we're light 5 and at 11.

Your 5 were just as bloody as our 16. You're just permitted to hide your bloodshed.

Without him you're prolly light 3ish. The Spurs would probably have a few more in the trophy case too, maybe James would have an extra.

Or who knows? Maybe the T-Mac/Shaq dynasty wins you a 5peat.

All I'm saying is Kareem should be #2. Kobe #3. Daddy may have got you the threepeat, but he was far less loyal than the rapist. He actually had the cojones to get out of LA. tbh imo fwiw

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Without him you're prolly light 3ish. The Spurs would probably have a few more in the trophy case too, maybe James would have an extra.

Or who knows? Maybe the T-Mac/Shaq dynasty wins you a 5peat.

All I'm saying is Kareem should be #2. Kobe #3. Daddy may have got you the threepeat, but he was far less loyal than the rapist. He actually had the cojones to get out of LA. tbh imo fwiw

I don't rank the players like that. It's my religion. I leave that to you children.

It's Kobe's disloyalty that led to 4&5. After the rape Buss went to sleep at the wheel. It took Kobe kicking him in the ass to get him to own his team again.

[jimbo]

I don't rank the players like that. It's my religion. I leave that to you children.

It's Kobe's disloyalty that led to 4&5. After the rape Buss went to sleep at the wheel. It took Kobe kicking him in the ass to get him to own his team again.

please. Every religion can rank their prophets. It takes a true chicken to not even attempt it.

And I do agree, Kobe's rape did lead to 4&5. Had he been content in life he'd have sailed on like James did in Cleveland for all those years.

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please. Every religion can rank their prophets. It takes a true chicken to not even attempt it.

And I do agree, Kobe's rape did lead to 4&5. Had he been content in life he'd have sailed on like James did in Cleveland for all those years.

So be it. I don't do it, never have. And I never will.

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His penance is the years he lost while the old man slept. Years spent in waste, wandering in reality, eternally grateful not to be behind the walls. Years of the prime's prime when he should have been executing his franchise instead of thanking his lucky stars.

[ambchang]

Biggest pet peeve in all team sports is arbitralily stating like this like it actually means anything.

You are acting like saying Kobe is the best Laker to ever lace up is some sort of scientific study. I am playing the Kobe fan game of ring counting, and no matter how you spin it, Kobe doesn't measure up to Magic, Kareem, or Shaq, even in terms of ring count

Ok, I called you an idiot before...now you're just simply in the realm of "your opinion is invalid and basketballreference.com is god ". Stay upstairs and enjoy your team's le. Also if you haven't actually watched the lakers play of the eras you mentioned you really don't have a valid arguement and offer nothing of any value. Keep looking up stats though...you're pretty good at it. Parrots do what parrots do bro.

, oh no, I was expecting some kind answer and you are calling me something worst than an idiot.

Even worse, this came immediately AFTER you stated arbitrary measurements (which would include opinions with nothing to back up) as your biggest pet peeve. How do you live with hating yourself so much. Every time to came up with some random opinion with nothing to back up, do you go take a shower to clean up because it was such a pet peeve of yours?

Lastly, I highly respect you being the realm of "your opinion is invalid and I am God" stance. It's so much more sophisticated than the "your opinion is invalid and basketballreference.com is god" one.

[ambchang]

Absolutely.

I disagree.

[Infinite_limit]

If Gasol brings a le to Chicago, he's TOP 10. 1 spot ahead of James

[ambchang]

Med glad to see you around, and glad you are burying amb with his rhetoric. Amb wants to quantify les, because before last month it was 5>4. Now that it is equal he has to resort to" well Duncan won 3 or 4 as the lead dog." It's all obvious and very weak. I already told that clown we could debate this after they both retire and for now I would even concede duncan over Kobe pending the final lap of both guys. But he is on this personal mission to discredit Kobe and elevate Pau ...so let him. the MVPau moniker no longer irks me ...because anyone that is not a hater on or outside this board, Spain or Pau's family knows the truth. And I dislike tearing down Pau to prove a point. So I leave Amb alone for the most part nowadays ...but enjoy your back and forth ...

How have you been Med btw?

Where in the universe have you been? I have been in the camp of saying les have to be quantifiable for the longest time, depending on teammates, coaching, opposition, and contribution. It has ALWAYS been that way.

In fact, I have been in the camp of saying teamwork and coaching trumps individual talent in the playoffs, while individual talent can lead to successful regular season camp for the longest time. Statistics back it up, historical observation backs it up, and common sense backs it up.

I also cannot see how my "rhetoric" was buried" when on one hand, Med said he hates arbitrarily quantifying things, while in another, state that his opinion is of far more importance than statistical data.

And finally, you have said if Duncan rung this year, it's Duncan > Kobe. I don't really care for it because it was Duncan > Kobe even if Duncan didn't ring this year, but now you want to delay this debate until retirement?

As for MVPau, Melo's camp has stated that him joining the Lakers is dependent upon whether MVPau stays, because players see that without MVPau, the Lakers are useless. In today's pace and space game, MVPau's inside/outside/passing game for a big is as valuable as ever. he is already way over his prime, but what he brings to the table is unique.

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If Gasol brings a le to Chicago, he's TOP 10. 1 spot ahead of James

He'd drive Thibodeau out of his in' mind. They're nuts.

[HI-FI]

You've had your quitters. You've no room. Without Bryant we're light 5 and at 11.

Your 5 were just as bloody as our 16. You're just permitted to hide your bloodshed.

Without Shaq or Pau you are light 5. With Kobe you're getting knocked out in the first round, back at Mori's place begging for MSG-laden .

[ambchang]

2nd greatest Laker period. Him being an asshole and commiting adultery doesn't change that.

Shaq > Kobe, even if Shaq only played on the Lakers for those 3 years and NO other years, Shaq is still > Kobe.

KAJ > Kobe. Really, not sure what else is there to state. Even though he was at the downturn of his career, him leading the Lakers to success in the early 80s along with Magic was phenomenal.

Magic > Kobe. Magic is the greatest Laker ever. I don't think you are even going to contemplate debating that.

Then of course, there is West, who just happened to be the logo, and the only reason he never won a ring was because his team weren't as great as the Celtics.

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Without Shaq or Pau you are light 5. With Kobe you're getting knocked out in the first round, back at Mori's place begging for MSG-laden .

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

& Gasol can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand. He had his chance last Spring. Big shot. ha.

[Clipper Nation]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

& Gasol can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand. He had his chance last Spring. Big shot. ha.

Kirby had a chance to win 'twixt Daddy and MVPau, but, he was shinin' shoes instead. Big shot.

[whitemamba]

Pau > Duncan

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Kirby had a chance to win 'twixt Daddy and MVPau, but, he was shinin' shoes instead. Big shot.

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

And Gasol can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.

[Clipper Nation]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

And Gasol can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.

Daddy: 3

MVPau: 2

And Kirby was shinin' shoes without Stern, Phil, Daddy, MVPau, Horry, Fisher, Odom, Bynum, and Artest holding his hand.

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Daddy: 3

MVPau: 2

And Kirby was shinin' shoes without Stern, Phil, Daddy, MVPau, Horry, Fisher, Odom, Bynum, and Artest holding his hand.

Fine. You take that. Me? I'm dancin' with who brung me:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

And Gasol can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.

[Clipper Nation]

Fine. You take that. Me? I'm dancin' with who brung me:::

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

And Gasol can't win a single playoff game without Kobe holding his hand.

& I'm stickin' with the truth:::

Daddy: 3

MVPau: 2

And Kirby was shinin' shoes without Stern, Phil, Daddy, MVPau, Horry, Fisher, Odom, Bynum, and Artest holding his hand.