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Are you talking about subs with a nuclear propulsion system or are you talking about sub carrying nuclear SLBM? Because they have both, and their both noisy as all .
I totally agree but the nuclear subs are going to be online soon... that would be scary..Their army is impressive simply due to the size, but on a field of battle against US forces, they would be worthless. You see boys and girls, the name of the game when it comes winning a military conflict is not numerical supperiority but intelligence. We have the ability to continuously track every unit of their army through the use of JSTARS, AWACS, Dark Star/Predator drones and not to mention satellites. You can't hit what you can't see and they don't even come close in the terms of C3.
Are you talking about subs with a nuclear propulsion system or are you talking about sub carrying nuclear SLBM? Because they have both, and their both noisy as all .
BTW, Go out and find the cost of a F-22 or the JSF and then compare it to the cost of a Predator or Darkstar and then get back to me.
Apples and Oranges. It's not like we are currently using F-22's and JSF to patrol the border, and the Coast Guard patrols the coast.
type 94
A new design (type 094) has been planned since the late 1980s. Possibly incorporating some Russian technology, the Type 094 is expected to be a dramatic improvement over the sole Xia class SSBN, with improved quieting and sensor systems, and a more reliable propulsion system. Other improvements in sonar, propulsion, training, and the application of quieting techniques will contribute to a significant improvement in the capabilities of China’s submarine fleet.
The overall size of the Chinese submarine force will decline as older boats are scrapped and new ones are built at a slower pace. There is unconfirmable speculation that as many as a dozen of these new boats may be eventually constructed, though other estimates suggest that 4-6 or 6-8 boats may be constructed.
Plans to deploy this class of nuclear powered SSBNs are said to have been delayed due to problems with the nuclear reactor power plants. In December 1999 it was reported that China had begun construction on the first Type 094 missile submarine, with preparations for the construction detected by US intelligence in November 1999. Several years would be required for submarine construction, and probably an additional year or two for shake-down trials of the submarine, and testing of the JL-2 from the submarine. Both the JL-2 and the first Type 094 were expected to be deployed around 2005 or 2006.
As of December 2000 construction of the first Type 094 had apparently been delayed, and the PLAN had yet to test-launch the JL-2. Priority had been given to the Type 093 nuclear-powered attack submarine. Although the keel of the first Type 093 had been laid, completion was not expected until after 2005. The Type 094 is based on the same basic design, utilising the same power plant.
Each of the Type 094 SSBNs will mount 16 JL-2 ballistic missiles (DF-31s) with a range of 8000 kms. When deployed, this missile will allow Chinese SSBNs to target portions of the United States for the first time from operating areas located near the Chinese coast. Equipped with the JL-2 missiles, the Type 094 SSBNs would only have to patrol just to the northeast of the Kuril Islands to hold about three-fourths of the United States at risk.
On 02 December 2004 Bill Gertz reported that the new 094-class submarine had been launched in late July 2004. The new Type 094 was spotted by US intelligence at the Huludao shipyard, on the coast of Bohai Bay, some 250 miles northwest of Beijing. The submarine was in the early stages of being outfitted and was not yet equipped with new JL-2 submarine-launched nuclear missiles. The Pentagon report on Chinese military power released in May 2004 stated that the new Chinese missile submarine would not be operational until around 2010.
The Type 094 will be an upgrade over the Xia class without a doubt, but nothing that I've seen would make it on par with anything like a Russian Typhoon and we tracked those fairly well. This is mainly a political weapon.
How would this not be George HW Bush's baby? Does your memory not go back far enough to remember most favored nation trading status? Or to Nixon normallizing relations with China? Clinton just took their money for looking the other way on millitary secrets.On top of that...why is China so Rich?
What spurred them to become the #2 economic power in the world?
Us baby...US...we are their leading export partner...and we buy a of alot more stuff from them than they do from us....
Yeah they got money...they get it from us...and in doing so they are becoming addicted to it and becoming more like us...
Our economic pressure on them is greater than any military threat we could ever mount against them.
When China does become Democratic...
IMO...it will be Clinton's baby...
I think he could have done without selling off our top secret weaponry to them though.
I actually agree to this statement 89%. ITs true. China will only attack once victory is absolute.
When our kids kids are writing the history books and people ask, how did WW3 start? Historians will say because the US would NOT be excluded from the world's circle of oil:
Russia and China:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/3310317
Iran and Iraq:
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/3670/Iraq_Signs_Military_Pa...
And here's where it comes full circle:
Venezuela enlists Iran to steer oil to China
By Andy Webb-Vidal in Caracas
Published: January 31 2005 03:00 | Last updated: January 31 2005 03:00
Venezuela has enrolled Iran to help it accelerate a strategy to steer its oil exports to China and away from its traditional market of the US.
A team of traders from Petróleos de Venezuela (PDVSA), the state-owned oil company, is to be trained in London by Iranian advisers in how to best place oil in Asian markets, according to industry sources.
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3221ed52-732d-11d9-86a0-00000e...
Guess the PNAC clan will get to pull out their BIG toys now, won't they?
God help us all.
You're right Dan. The world is going to stop selling the United States oil. !
I am surprised Dan hasn't read that Saudi is also considering joining the group moving towards Asia and imposing an Oil imbargo on the US...
It's still not that big of a deal...if all the OPEC countries boycotted us...it would still only amount to about 27% of our Oil Usage...
IOW...it won't us nearly as bad as it's going to Europe, even with their lesser dependence on Oil, and China doesn't use as much Oil as we do, and it is Europe's Oil we protect in the middle east more than ours...and Russia will come down on it's price...
I say bring it on...there will be no war because there is no way America could fight that many countries...and Europe...even if it wanted to...does not have the military capability to make a difference in such a war....
Yeah it'll kick us in the ass a bit...
But it will also get us off our dependence on Oil...
If these OPEC countries are smart they'll embargo us before the US can even think of building a case of military intervention against them...that would put the US in a position of going to war to end the embargo...and no one is going to support that idea....
Oh...and the reason the guys all want to align themselves with China...apart from their hatred of freedom of the individual, the common link between Islamofascism and Communism, is because China will be willing to sell them nuclear technology for Oil discounts and to protect it's interests. China's commnist government is in it's death throws though...so I doubt there is going to be a major swing in the free countries weilding the power.
Who the bad guys are here and who the good guys are...depends on if you value the freedom of the individual...that's what America stands for...and that's what our enemies despise.
We have one dumbass in the name of Dan, and another dumbass in the name of Whottt.
And another dumbass named Manny who thinks we'll be willing to pay 15$ per gallon of gas...and who doesn't think there are countries out there(like the rest of the entire world) who want to crush America economically.
Do you and Dan share foil hats or do you both have your own?
And what about my view is whacked out?
I never said people would stop selling us gas...but the fact that OPEC might is a very real possiblity...
Not a damn thing about your view is wacked out. You're a visionary. Bravo!
Yeah because....there's never been an OPEC embargo against us before...
Sincerely, 1974
I said you were a visionary. Geez, are you that insecure?
An Nbadan comparison will make anyone insecure...if you are going to criticize my view it might be nice to let me in on the aspect of it that you are criticizing, so that I can use the right words when I criticize your intelligence.
Thats the truth.
I'll post about it later after happy hour.
Oh please, this is Manny's good ole’ boy, standby, knee-jerk reaction to every situation. Criticize those who are willing to offer an opinion and never stick your neck out, or worse yet, when you turn out to be wrong yet again, blame your x-roommate for posting under your avatar.
Dan, you're so full of . Seriously. Is there one poster here who takes you seriously? No, there isn't. And now, I'm blaming people for posting under my name? When the did I do that?
You're a complete tool.
Must be an all-nighter!I'll post about it later after happy hour.
(Told ya he won't stick his neck out)
"countries out there (like the rest of the entire world) who want to crush America economically."
Apart from it being a typical whott paranoid fantasy to justify invading country X, what the problem with that? In your of America's-perfectly-OK-but-the-world-sucks ideology, ONLY America as the right to crush economically all other countries, and America is immune from being an object of crushing back?
This is such . This is the part of your argument that paints you as a tin hat wearing fool.
There is one reason they are trying to align themselves with China and that is because of the emerging market that is going to surpass the United States as the largest in the world.
You try to put everything into an Anti-Freedom Anti-American light. You're ing paranoid. The US isn't as benevolant as you always want to make it. Jesus.
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