Dave & Busters basketball game scam

[j-6]

Why does everyone keep saying stuff to Vashner like "You were just pissed because you weren't good enough to win"?

By this post .... you'll see the Vashner didn't even enter the contest. He's just commenting that it's a scam to promote it as they did and then have NO ONE win the jersey.

It's not a scam. If you are good enough to beat the employee, you'll win. So beat the employee and win the jersey.

[Kori Ellis]

It's not a scam. If you are good enough to beat the employee, you'll win. So beat the employee and win the jersey.

I understand that. I'm saying that's why VASHNER feels it was a scam. But YOU (and other people) are attacking him saying "you are just pissed you weren't good enough to win" when the guy has already said that he wasn't even in the contest.

It depends on how they promoted it. If they promoted it as "compete against other customers to win a Tim Duncan jersey" or they promoted it as "if you can beat the D&B employee then you win the Tim Duncan jersey".. Those distinctions would make the difference to me.

My only point in my last post is that you guys keep saying Vashner wasn't even good enough to win... he didn't even compete.

[j-6]

no what I think is unfair about it is that they DID NOT ANNOUNCE IT. If they make it seem one way and it turns out a different way (in this case bringing in a D&B Employee that they did not say would be part of it) then that is what makes it unfair. If they had made it clear how the game and rules would be beforehand, and everyone knew what they were getting into.. then it I wouldn't be thinking it was unfair.

It's a skill compe ion involving shooting a basketball at about a free throw distance. Unless Rick Barry is eating dinner in there, I'd feel I could beat anyone in the building, employees included.

And if I lost, I'd deserve it.

[T Park]

When did you ask about the level of compe ion? Did they provide a rule sheet or something that said they wouldn't bring in a ringer?

I refer back to what JB said, and also, it doesn't sound like they said its against just customers.

If the above did NOT happen, then this whole ing post is baseless.

[Spurminator]

If they didn't indicate that an employee would be brought in at the last minute, then I would say it is bull . If people are paying to enter a contest without knowing all of the details, and then the Contest organizers throw in a surprise twist to make it more difficult, those people have been mislead.

There's a reason almost every Contest/Prize promotion includes the disclaimer that employees or family of employees are ineligible.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, and that reason is that the employees arent allowed to walk away with the prize. The employee here - as far as I can tell - was not eligible to win, but was actually a part of the contest, not a contestant himself.

It sounds to me like no one asked any questions, then wanted to cry unfair when they brought out the employee.

[Spurminator]

That kind of thing should still be communicated beforehand.

It's like telling someone they win a prize if they hit 10 free throws in a row, then (after they do it) telling them they need to make ten more.

If the employee didn't get the jersey, who did? Somebody must have.

[Kori Ellis]

it doesn't sound like they said its against just customers.

It sounds to me like no one asked any questions, then wanted to cry unfair when they brought out the employee.

Vashner said early in this thread that it was presented as if it was for customers only. If that's how it was presented (or promoted) and it wasn't really that way. Then no, it's probably not illegal because I'm sure it was listed in small print, but it's definitely scammy. (Is that a word?)

[Spurfect]

Yeah, and that reason is that the employees arent allowed to walk away with the prize. The employee here - as far as I can tell - was not eligible to win, but was actually a part of the contest, not a contestant himself.

It sounds to me like no one asked any questions, then wanted to cry unfair when they brought out the employee.

uh really, who is gonna think to ask "hey btw, is an employee gonna play?" yeah, you don't really think about that. especially if it was presented as customers competing only.

[Horry For 3!]

Why does everyone keep saying stuff to Vashner like "You were just pissed because you weren't good enough to win"?

By this post ....





.... you'll see the Vashner didn't even enter the contest. He's just commenting that it's a scam to promote it as they did and then have NO ONE win the jersey.

Never saw that post.

[Shelly]

uh really, who is gonna think to ask "hey btw, is an employee gonna play?" yeah, you don't really think about that. especially if it was presented as customers competing only.

Yeah....seriously, Manny...would you have asked if an employee (who probably has been able to practice a lot) was gonna play? I know I wouldn't have asked.

I wonder how long they've had that jersey that hasn't been won?

[Horry For 3!]

I think I could take on the employee unless it was like some nba player

[MannyIsGod]

I woudln't have asked, but I wouldn't have been suprised either. You go to a carnival, you expect to shoot as smaller than regulation rims. You expect the games to be harder than presented.

I'm guessing no one won the jersey and its up for grab next time. Is this a contest they have all the time?

Maybe I'm just pulling a Clandestino, but I don't think this was unfair.

[Shelly]

Also...where there any kids in this contest?

[Kori Ellis]

Maybe I'm just pulling a Clandestino, but I don't think this was unfair.

You don't think it was unfair if it was promoted as a Customers Only contest and then it wasn't Customers Only?

[Shelly]

BTW, Vashner...did anyone come close to beating the employee?

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not sure it was promoted as a customer only contest, and I'd be suprised if it was. Who goes out and promotes things as customer only?

[MannyIsGod]

If they said come compete against other Spurs fans, thats not same as saying it is customer only. You are competing against other Spurs fans because the employee is simply part of the contest, not a contestant.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm not sure it was promoted as a customer only contest, and I'd be suprised if it was. Who goes out and promotes things as customer only?

"Compete against other D&B Customers to win a Tim Duncan Jersey".

^^That would be promoting it as a customers only contest.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think so. They were competing against other customers. It just so happend that they all sucked and no one was able to win.

I don't know, I really don't see a problem with the contest. I don't see it promoted the way you guys are seeing it promoted.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't see it promoted the way you guys are seeing it promoted.

Umm.. you weren't there, so you don't know how it was promoted. The only one was there was Vashner - who said it was presented as a customers only compe ion.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm going off of what was posted in this thread, and I don't think the way he described it indicates competing in some type of one on one against anotehr customer. It WAS a customer only compe ion.

[Spurfect]

I guess it all depends on how it was presented. Vashner did it seem like other people that were either watching or participating were pissed about this too?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If the employee goes there on his days off, doesn't that make him a D&B customer? [/devil's advocate]

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

It's a skill compe ion involving shooting a basketball at about a free throw distance. Unless Rick Barry is eating dinner in there, I'd feel I could beat anyone in the building, employees included.

And if I lost, I'd deserve it.

Actually, if its what i'm thinking it is, its who can hit the most ft's in 1 minute or something like that, just because you shoot a high % doesn't mean you are going to win, I played against my friend who wasn't as good of a shooter as me, but he had a quick release which allowed him to shoot more shots than me, he owned everyone at that game. So I imagine the employee was pretty much the same.