He is at worst 6th, but definitely ahead of stains like Newton, Kraepernig etc
Ginger jokes aside, Dalton has been a pretty good regular season QB during his tenure as Bengals' QB. It's not a shock he's doing well and he is in the top 10 of QBs after 4 weeks. But to already discredit Luck is betraying what premise you're using. Of course, I wouldn't expect a 49er fan to think logically. Though your disdain for Kaepernick is the right thing to feel. He's going to cost you again when it is big-time. We we'll agree to disagree at this point.
Then you reminded them who won the ing SB
Taken this terrible Colt team to the playoffs 2 years in a row. Now he's doing well with an equally terrible supporting case w/o the exception of having a decent WR corps. Why are you NFL experts so low on him? Does he have to win it all before getting at least some recognition. I don't get it. Not that I'm a Luck homer, but getting NFL Sunday Ticket has allowed me to watch every game. I'm getting a better read on players now than other years. Many pundits are saying this is his ascension. But maybe I'm wrong...I am a PAC-12 guy so it can be biased.
a salaam al-Lefty! You're a SF fan??
Then you reminded them who won the ing SB
I'm not discrediting Luck, I'm discrediting the idea of declaring someone the best anything in the NFL after four games. He very well may prove to be the best QB in the league this season, but it's far too soon to be making that claim, especially when his team is 2-2 and he actually had a large part to play in at least one of those losses (throwing a pick against the Eagles that directly lef to them losing the game). Also,@ you calling me illogical when you and your own fanbase try to prop up your own gamemanaging QB as an elite QB; at least the sane Niner fans acknowledge Kraep will be our undoing.
It depends on the mood
But I like their uni, and the 1st SB I've watched was when Steve Young won it (95?)
That game turned me into a Niner fan myself tbh. First sport/game I ever really watched as a kid. Cemented Steve Young as my all-time favorite Niner too.
Based Bortles vs Luck for a decade will be epic
It's safe to say that you can't compare Wilson and Kaepernick. Wilson has been consistent and he won't make the boneheaded mistakes that Kaepernick will. I think that with an improved OL and a running game that will focus someone other than Gore, he'll be better than he's shown. Wilson will never be the Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Rodgers type but that's fine. As long as he keeps winning and bringing the rings and keeping the O side afloat, that's all you can ask. I don't think Kaepernick would've led the 49ers back after Manning ran that 80-yard tying touchdown in Seattle. Wilson showed right there he's better than just a game manager. He took that drive and had 4 completions and 4 rushes. Precision at its finest. That's a mark of a winner. So you can discredit him as you waste the season tied to Kaepernick. We'll be alright and we got one le already. Anything else is nice. House Money; we got it.I'm not discrediting Luck, I'm discrediting the idea of declaring someone the best anything in the NFL after four games. He very well may prove to be the best QB in the league this season, but it's far too soon to be making that claim, especially when his team is 2-2 and he actually had a large part to play in at least one of those losses (throwing a pick against the Eagles that directly lef to them losing the game). Also,
Never said Kraep was better; , Kraep is bottom 5 in terms of starting QBs in the league. Doesn't change the fact Wilson is king of the game managers.
Just saying like a typical 49er fan without any validation. He's beyond the game manager le and is still only 3 years in. Quit lying to yourself.
Your validation is that 90% of the non-Cheathawks fans agree that he's a game manager. Here's a question for you: whose the key to Seattle's offense, Wilson or Lynch?
Both. Can't win without the other. You don't have Wilson; you don't win that OT game against Peyton. Lynch got to eat his just desserts because of who got them there. You can also say that w/o Lynch the Seahawks don't win it all last year. They fit perfectly for each other. This isn't a Trent Dilfer or a Brad Johnson situation. Seriously? Did you do a Gallup Poll to find out your stat there buddy? 90% of fans are re ed who gives a about opinion? Look at those who are actually involved in the game and they'll say he isn't a game manager. He's not elite but he's in the 2nd tier. Definitely not a game manager--which is a contradictory term anyway. ALL QBs are game managers. That's why it is the most important position in the game. Why do you think the percentage of QBs to have quality (up to HoF) careers is minimal? Because the majority of them do not learn how to control the game properly. Anyways, it is pointless to attempt to persuade you because you have your mind made up. I'll take the actual experts opinion over a fan of the rival team's. Especially when they can't create originality and throw out the Cheathawk moniker when they fail to remember the Eddie Debartolo days and how they mimiced the Denver Broncos in cheating to obtain picks and other favors of the league. Also, you have character issues with Aldon Smith and Ray McDonald. That's more laughable than getting busted for some herb and some adderall.
Sounds to me like you picked Wilson imo. Typical Cheathawks fan logic: calling other fanbases re ed while allowing the media to brainwash you into thinking Wilson is an up-and-coming QB. Guess what? They do it for Kraep, , and RGKnee as well. They're gonna prop them up because it helps promote their agenda for a new NFL era of dual threat QBs.
Um no, I said both. The players who have played the game have said as much. Even Peyton Manning said he is on the rise. What do they know? Kraep was never this consistent if he learned the game better he'd be highly regarded with the physical talent he has. Cam was worthwhile and may still improve but he doesn't have the internal factor that compliments his talent. I wouldn't have any problem giving Kaep props if he were worlds better. I decide for myself whom is worthwhile for my team and it should never go on one's shoulders. He isn't elite as that is reserved for Manning, Rodgers, and whomever you like. But even Michael Irvin this past weekend said he's not a game manager and that dude is coked out most of the time so he's got to be right. You're offering nothing but speculation and opinion--I'm not saying he is the best QB but to deny that he is one of the better QBs is foolish.
Back on topic--what is this whole thread about though, really? Luck has been pretty decent for the 2 1/4 seasons he's been at the helm. Not legendary but better than Curtis Painter or Dan Orlovsky. By a mile.
I think it's a veiled trolling attempt on fans tbh.
Yup
And 49ers scored... 49 pts
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His resume isn't legendary right now, but he has had some pretty ing legendary moments. The 2012 Colts is probably my favorite version of the team and no one, even the most hard core Colts fans, said that team was going to the postseason. And some of his comeback wins are purely epic, mainly the Packers and KC playoff game last year but some others too like that Detroit game in 2012 and Houston last year. Plus he did all of that behind one of the worst offensive lines in football (not going to crunch the stats for 2013 but he was the most sacked/hit/pressured QB in 2012). We've all said that once he got decent protection from his line he would blow up the league, and that's kind of happening now.
Right now the only thing holding back Luck is his stupid ass coaches that still think Trent Richardson has starting talent and that they need to open the game by emphasizing their run game. Last two weeks they aired it out but they need to throw first against all opponents, not just the bad teams. Bad gameplanning has cost the Colts so much over the last 20 games.
lynch is more replaceable. running backs typically are. it's not like Wilson is another coming of Trent Dilfer.
you could argue the Broncos running game was more important to their superbowls in the 90's, but i'd argue TD was more easily replaceable than John Elway. those 2 years elway was averaging about 220 passing yards per game while TD ran for 1750 and 2000 yards. when you need big plays to win a game or move the chains, its usually the quarterback who does it. that's why they aren't as replaceable as backs who often are as productive as the offensive line allows them to be
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It's special how you can tell a Forty Niner fans age by who their favorite QB is. In a weird way Jerry Rice is my favorite player but Steve Young is hands down my favorite 49er of All Time
I own this and put it on during the SB comeback 2 years ago
Lynch is and Davis was Elite.
For example in 1998 Bubby Brister started and won 4 games for the injured Elway. In those 4 games Davis rushed for 467 yards, 5 rushing TDs (1 receiving) with a blistering 5.9 yards/carry. The 1998 Broncos probably win the Super Bowl without Elway
Lynch is the 2nd best Running Back in the NFL, possessing the combination of size & speed to be arguably unstoppable. The chance of not only the Seahawks signing/drafting another Lynch clone but there even being another Lynch in the NFL in the next 5 years is low.
Luck is a little overrated, tbh..
Very good QB, but being put in the "elite" category way too early IMO..he has all the tools to become a legendary QB, but this is the typical over-hyping of a young QB that shows flashes of greatness..everybody is always quick to anoint players..
His numbers aren't special and he's inconsistent against good defenses..I'd still put him in or near the top 5 due to his lack of support and ability to perform in big moments, though..
Rodgers is unquestionably the best QB in the NFL, and Rivers/Manning are still ahead of Luck..it's early, but it appears that Brees and Brady are no longer elite QBs, we'll see how that plays out..
Rodgers over Manning by a body length.
Then it's open imo.
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