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    Why is Manu playing hero ball? Our bench has been ever since our 6th man had shoulder surgery
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    I don't care about these early-season losses, but I don't think that only one player takes 20-25 shots per game is the best way to build a more effective team oriented offense like Spurs offense in last finals.
    I don't think we're even there yet... unless we're 2-10, Pop isn't building towards the playoffs right now... he's playing his experiments with end of the bench guys, get a feel for who can bring what... plus it's hard to build much of anything right now with guys like Marco, Patty and Tiago sidelined (who will eventually get a bulk of the minutes), Kawhi apparently still hurting in his eye, and Boris out of shape...
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    Tony does need to cut down on the TOs a bit... very uncharacteristic of him to turn over the ball like that.
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    I don't think we're even there yet...
    We'll see.
    Daye playing at center is a Pop's experiment, but Tony taking 20-25 shots isn't. You think that is a consequence of Patty/Marco absences? I'm not sure.
    I fear greatly the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals was just the direct result of Parker's injuries, with healthy Tony the offense looks really different, but fairly similar to the iso-monocentric offense played when the Spurs were eliminated early in playoffs.
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    We'll see.
    Daye playing at center is a Pop's experiment, but Tony taking 20-25 shots isn't. You think that is a consequence of Patty/Marco absences? I'm not sure.
    I fear greatly the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals was just the direct result of Parker's injuries, with healthy Tony the offense looks really different, but fairly similar to the iso-monocentric offense played when the Spurs were eliminated early in playoffs.
    Yup....
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    Tony does need to cut down on the TOs a bit... very uncharacteristic of him to turn over the ball like that.
    Just sloppy. The entire team has been playing sloppy.

    But Manu had zero assists!
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    We'll see.
    Daye playing at center is a Pop's experiment, but Tony taking 20-25 shots isn't. You think that is a consequence of Patty/Marco absences? I'm not sure.
    I fear greatly the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals was just the direct result of Parker's injuries, with healthy Tony the offense looks really different, but fairly similar to the iso-monocentric offense played when the Spurs were eliminated early in playoffs.
    I think the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals is the product of a full season worth of work, careful game planning for specific opponents, having a full, healthy roster, executing at a high level... you're not going to get that in random games early in the season... we might see spurts here and there, but we really weren't rolling last season until the 19 game win streak in March/April...
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    I think the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals is the product of a full season worth of work, careful game planning for specific opponents, having a full, healthy roster, executing at a high level... you're not going to get that in random games early in the season... we might see spurts here and there, but we really weren't rolling last season until the 19 game win streak in March/April...
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    Was so glad to see Leonard win that trophy last year..but damn...dude looks like a turd left out in the sun too long. Just garbage.
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    OP is wrong. The key stat on hero ball is that 60% of the time it works every time.

    In all seriousness, yes Tony was more aggressive than usual, but I trust his feel for the game on when to press or distribute. And with this team not at full strength it seems like a decent time for him to press.
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    I think the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals is the product of a full season worth of work, careful game planning for specific opponents, having a full, healthy roster, executing at a high level...
    I'd would like to believe that, really, but I have my doubts about the role that Tony injuries played in the game plan and execution.
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    I'd would like to believe that, really, but I have my doubts about the role that Tony injuries played in the game plan and execution.
    Even if the case was that he had tired/hurt legs last season, it's important for the Spurs to know if Tony can be MVParker again or he lost a step. This is the time to find that out, and then plan the season accordingly. Obviously, it would be great if Tony can get back to his 2012 level, it would bring more alternatives. The Spurs know they can play the "passing game", but like every other scheme, eventually you're going to find a team that's gonna figure it out, and you want to know what your alternatives are.
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    I think the "beautiful basketball" we saw in the finals is the product of a full season worth of work, careful game planning for specific opponents, having a full, healthy roster, executing at a high level... you're not going to get that in random games early in the season... we might see spurts here and there, but we really weren't rolling last season until the 19 game win streak in March/April...
    Actually the spurs were pretty good coming out of the gate last year. They won 13 of their first 14 games. The only real struggle last year was earlier in the year the spur couldn't beat the top 7-8 elite teams in the league but everybody else they destroyed.
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    Actually the spurs were pretty good coming out of the gate last year. They won 13 of their first 14 games. The only real struggle last year was earlier in the year the spur couldn't beat the top 7-8 elite teams in the league but everybody else they destroyed.
    But we weren't playing the "beautiful basketball" then. And frankly, we started 4-1, a record we could easily be having right now (all close games except HOU) even if we're playing half-assed, and with a bunch of guys missing.

    The Spurs really elevated their game when Tony was having that week or two of rest, and didn't miss a beat when he came back. We ended up the season on a 25-5 run (should really be 25-3, since Pop threw the last two games for "rest")
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    Tony does need to cut down on the TOs a bit... very uncharacteristic of him to turn over the ball like that.
    I think this is the sign of early games.. Manu and Tim each with 3 TOs..
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    Tony took 18 shots, made 11 (61%)
    Kawhi took 13 shots, made 5 (38%)
    Manu took 11 shots, made 6 (55%)
    Tim took 10 shots, made 3 (30%)

    But of course we lost this game because Tony shot 61% from the field...
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    Tony took 18 shots, made 11 (61%)
    Kawhi took 13 shots, made 5 (38%)
    Manu took 11 shots, made 6 (55%)
    Tim took 10 shots, made 3 (30%)

    But of course we lost this game because Tony shot 61% from the field...
    Shhhhhh, they don't like logic
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    18 shots for a PG?

    your "logic" clowns, Enrique is just an overrated chucker
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    Let's look at stats:

    When Tony scores 25+ points like last night,
    - Spurs won 8 out 11 times last season and this season :http://bkref.com/tiny/qGepK
    - Spurs won 13 ou 16 times the year before http://bkref.com/tiny/iepys

    If you considere Tony "dominating" is 20+ pts then it's 19 wins out of 23 games last year : http://bkref.com/tiny/ddW0n


    Sorry it doesn't fit your agenda but Tony scoring a lot has always been leading to wins and this for years
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    18 shots for a PG?

    your "logic" clowns, Enrique is just an overrated chucker
    Taking 18 shoots and making 11 of them is a problem only on ST
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    What sucks on TP game so far is TOs and more generally assist / to ratio.

    I am not concerned about it, parker takes good care of the ball, that's not something that won't be fixed.
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    Tony took 18 shots, made 11 (61%)
    Kawhi took 13 shots, made 5 (38%)
    Manu took 11 shots, made 6 (55%)
    Tim took 10 shots, made 3 (30%)

    But of course we lost this game because Tony shot 61% from the field...
    Well, thats where FG% dun tell the whole picture.
    Imagine this scenario
    A dribbles for 22secs out of the 24secs clock.
    In this 22secs, if he gets an open shot, he shoots.
    If not, he dribbles finish the 22secs, den pass it to either B,C or D to shoot a contested shot.
    At the end of the day,
    A took 18shots and made 11.
    B took 13 shots and made 5
    C took 11 shots and made 6
    D took 10 shots and made 3.

    So whose fault was it?
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    So its Parker's fault Kawhi can't make a layup?
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    Well, thats where FG% dun tell the whole picture.
    Imagine this scenario
    A dribbles for 22secs out of the 24secs clock.
    In this 22secs, if he gets an open shot, he shoots.
    If not, he dribbles finish the 22secs, den pass it to either B,C or D to shoot a contested shot.
    At the end of the day,
    A took 18shots and made 11.
    B took 13 shots and made 5
    C took 11 shots and made 6
    D took 10 shots and made 3.

    So whose fault was it?
    I know parker has huge usage rate plus he played 48 min but damn

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    What sucks on TP game so far is TOs and more generally assist / to ratio.

    I am not concerned about it, parker takes good care of the ball, that's not something that won't be fixed.
    yup, that's why I said it's very uncharacteristic of him...
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