All I remember is that Patty was getting a lot of steals and he was one of the reasons we won last year. So do the Spur organization as they signed him to a pretty decent contract. As far as CoJo well I wish him the best but I don't see the need to sign him as we have needs at other positions. However, if Manu decides to hang it up I could easily see the Spurs offering him a contract.
Joseph is a very useless player with a very low ceiling, tbh..
He's a PG that can't pass, and his off-ball impact is reduced by his terrible 3-point shooting..he relies on mid-range jump shots off the screen like we're still in the 90s
Awful, awful player..
Not really
OKC played Westbrook and Jackson together to close out games last season and occasionally even Fisher in place of Westbrook (when he was injured). GSW would be the only team that could exploit it with their team of freak guards.
The Clippers have Paul, Red , Farmar and Crawford at guards.
I'd rather have a Cojo-Mills-Ginobili-Diaw-Baynes or Cojo-Mills-Ginobili-Bonner(spot minutes)-Splitter. That would make Belinelli expendable or an insurance policy for Manu.
His advanced stats have been very good so far. 17 P.E.R +16 Net Rtg .188 win shares per 48 minutes. By all 3 metrics he has been an above average player this season. He's playing with confidence. He can't shoot from 3 but can attack the rim and knock down mid range jumpers. His rebounding and defense are definitely a plus at the guard spot.
He's a PG that can't pass, and his off-ball impact is reduced by his terrible 3-point shooting..he relies on mid-range jump shots off the screen like we're still in the 90s
Awful, awful player..
If they are playing against opposing bench guards they should be fine but if they are playing against 2 starting guards (unlikely) then that might be an issue) More likely it will be one starter and one bench guard. A Westbrook and Jackson lineup could cause that pairing problems, but it really depends who the bigs are behind them.
There really isn't a ton of backup SFs that could cause Manu problems. Maybe Iggy but he hasn't been very good this season. Our bench wasn't good defensively last season, but buried teams because the offense was superior. Belinelli is probably a better fit over Joseph because of his shooting and cutting but Cojo's defense and scrappy play is hard to keep on the bench. I could see one of those two being moved at the deadline.
I'd prefer to have Splitter anchor the bench if Cojo-Mills and Ginobili share the floor but will vary series to series in the PS.
It will be interesting to see if Pop can find a way to get both Mills and Joseph minutes. Perhaps it will be purely situational, with Mills getting minutes when the offense needs a shot in the arm, and Joseph getting minutes when they need better on-ball defense for a while.
In the long run, I think they view Patty as a potential 6th man in the Manu mold, providing energy and shooting to the 2nd unit. That doesn't really solve the problem of Joseph/Mills likely being too small of a backcourt to thrive for extended periods, but it would explain why they might retain Joseph after this year, if they view Joseph as a better fit for getting 18 minutes directly backing up Parker.
I feel you though kinfolk
He's a PG that can't pass, and his off-ball impact is reduced by his terrible 3-point shooting..he relies on mid-range jump shots off the screen like we're still in the 90s
Awful, awful player..
Mills is a Gary Neal that can at least adequately defend point guards. Like Neal, he is listed at PG even though Manu babysits the offense as the de facto point guard. as long as Manu is around and playing well, Mills should absolutely be the reserve "pg"
Joseph will still be useful if he plays as well as he's been playing lately, but more situationally
How about moving Cojo to the bench in the playoffs while Mills and Manu run the offense
Yeah I'm a dumbass. CoJo is too much of a ball-stopper. It's one thing when Parker does it...he's earned the right to be ball-dominant at times. But when CoJo does it it makes me want to pull my hair out.
I still think he'll have his uses playing spot minutes in the playoffs when we need defense against some of the better guards.
The Mills/Manu duo was dominant in the playoffs last year. Doesn't make sense to tamper with that just to accommodate a janky ass point guard that does nothing but shoot mid range jumpers.
But just to respond to the people here: I wasn't advocating less minutes for Mills. I was proposing the idea of Joseph and Mills playing together with Manu at the 3. I definitely don't think CoJo should take Patty's spot in the rotation.
Then, there'd be no ball sharing. Neither of them like to give the ball up.
Pop will probably leave Belinelli and Joseph out in the playoffs again. He'll play Green as a backup 3 to go with Manu and Mills
Yeah that's the best idea. I don't think there should ever be a moment where both Kawhi and Green aren't in the game come playoff time (aside from garbage time obviously). At least one of them should be in at all times to ensure we have an elite defender who can guard the opposing team's best wing player.
Kind of hope he does. No reason why Green can't start at the 2 and come back in for Kawhi. Joseph will have a role but it will be hard to predict how much playing time he will receive. If Mills is getting burned, then I could see Pop pulling him for Cojo or to start a quarter and harass players like Paul.
Joseph was a complete turnover machine in the 4th qtr. of the Philly game today. He was absolutely pathetic. Can't wait for Mills to come back. His defense was also not good. He was the reason the game was so close!
Cojo is a beast. Mills is a chucker. Nothing to see here folks. When was the last time Patty dunked on Ibaka? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Yeah I agree, if the team is playing "gutless", Pop can always bring in Cojo to spark a run and send a message... He's just not a good enough shooter to be in the rotation
could be a useful lineup for small ball
Cojo plays hero ball too much. The last few games where he's had to play a lot exposed his deficiencies at PG. The ball stops moving while he dribbles around and tries to find an opening for himself. And when he gets into trouble, he's prone to getting trapped or making TOs. He almost lost the lead and the game for us last night in the 4th. And when he has to switch to a bigger player, fuggetttabou .
That's his offensive game though. The ISO drive is his strength. His overall court vision and passing is still D-League level.
One bad game and everyone wants him banished to the bench. Yeah he choked a bit last night. But there's no doubt he's improved a lot and getting more time while mills is out will only help. As long as he's decisive and confident he does his job as a backup point guard.
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