Lionel Hollins is a fine coach, tbh...

[benstanfield]

AFAIK, he was run out of Memphis because he got into a yelling match with Hollinger... but there's no disputing he's the best coach Memphis ever had (still holds a few records there). That's not to say Joerger isn't a fine coach himself, but Hollins at least didn't get in the way of Memphis being a great team while he was there.

He strikes me as a coach that can make any roster a .500 club because players respect him and he gets good team D out of whoever is on the court. Memphis was a really good team when they got ZBo and Gasol went prime, plus Hollins was an undoubtedly good mentor for Mike Conley.

But with two clone teams playing each other, I think there are about 15-20 coaches in the league that could coach circles around him.

[ElNono]

He strikes me as a coach that can make any roster a .500 club because players respect him and he gets good team D out of whoever is on the court. Memphis was a really good team when they got ZBo and Gasol went prime, plus Hollins was an undoubtedly good mentor for Mike Conley.

But with two clone teams playing each other, I think there are about 15-20 coaches in the league that could coach circles around him.

Yeah, as I said earlier, I don't think he's in the "great" echelon, but looking at the field of NBA coaches, just having your team ready for games seems like above average, tbh... and he at least does that.

[benstanfield]

Yeah, as I said earlier, I don't think he's in the "great" echelon, but looking at the field of NBA coaches, just having your team ready for games seems like above average, tbh... and he at least does that.

it's hard to really gauge when 1/3 of the league is losing games on purpose

[Malik Hairston]

He strikes me as a coach that can make any roster a .500 club because players respect him and he gets good team D out of whoever is on the court. Memphis was a really good team when they got ZBo and Gasol went prime, plus Hollins was an undoubtedly good mentor for Mike Conley.

But with two clone teams playing each other, I think there are about 15-20 coaches in the league that could coach circles around him.

Lionel Hollins is Byron Scott, tbh..

Scott was once known as a great defensive coach due to his Nets teams that made it to the Finals..

As we saw later on with the Nets, and subsequently with the Cavs and Lakers, he's a terrible defensive coach and one of the worst coaches in recent NBA history..

Motivational coaches hardly affect a game, their effect is short-term, as we saw with Mark Jackson(everybody loved him at first and heralded him as an up and coming great coach)..

[Horse]

His coaching didn't force us to miss wide open shots all night long.

[benstanfield]

Lionel Hollins is Byron Scott, tbh..

Scott was once known as a great defensive coach due to his Nets teams that made it to the Finals..

As we saw later on with the Nets, and subsequently with the Cavs and Lakers, he's a terrible defensive coach and one of the worst coaches in recent NBA history..

Motivational coaches hardly affect a game, their effect is short-term, as we saw with Mark Jackson(everybody loved him at first and heralded him as an up and coming great coach)..

Tom Rivers has made a career of being a motivational coach tbh

I think Hollins deserves at least a little more credit than Mark Jackson. If you went into a Nets huddle you wouldn't see "HANDS DOWN MAN DOWN" on the clipboard as the defensive set

[Malik Hairston]

I'd take Bud(11-6 Hawks team with average talent, a season after making the playoffs with poor talent), Thibs, Carlisle, SVG, Kerr, Vogel, Tom Rivers, Joerger, Spoelstra, Kidd, Hornacek, Stotts, Malone, Pop and Casey over him, without a doubt, tbh..

Then a bunch of average coaches on the same level, followed by the bottom(Scott Brooks)..

[tlongII]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh

Stotts is top 4.

[ElNono]

Tom Rivers has made a career of being a motivational coach tbh

I think Hollins deserves at least a little more credit than Mark Jackson. If you went into a Nets huddle you wouldn't see "HANDS DOWN MAN DOWN" on the clipboard as the defensive set

lol the preacher

[Malik Hairston]

Tom Rivers has made a career of being a motivational coach tbh

I think Hollins deserves at least a little more credit than Mark Jackson. If you went into a Nets huddle you wouldn't see "HANDS DOWN MAN DOWN" on the clipboard as the defensive set

I think Hollins is a better coach than Jackson, but my point is that if you go back and look at what people were saying about Jackson after the Warriors made the 2nd round out the playoffs in 2013, he was seen as a very good coach with a lot of potential..

[ElNono]

Stotts is horrible, tbh... only coach that didn't know how to abuse Beli on D.... just awful

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pop
Carlisle
Spoelstra
Thibodeau
Rivers
Casey
Stotts
Kerr
Hollins
Wittman
Budenholzer
Blatt
Vogel
Malone
Hornacek
Brooks
McHale
Kidd
Williams

[cjw]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh

Wait, what about Scottie Brooks?

[DMC]

He's one of the 10 worst coaches in the league, tbh..

Divide the NBA head coaches into 3 groups,

Poor
Average
Good

I don't think Steve Kerr can be gauged yet, so putting him in the top 10 would be speculation based on team record at the moment. He hasn't done anything. Same is true for any 1st year head coach who doesn't have a head coaching resume. Remember how well Avery Johnson did in his 1st year? Where is he now?

I think Kerr will be a decent coach, but he's not spent a lot of time moving up the coaching ladder. I think guys who move from player to head coach (I know he was a GM) miss out on a lot of training that probably needs to happen.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh

Brad Stevens deserves a mention, he's fantastic.

[ElNono]

Brad Stevens deserves a mention, he's fantastic.

Did nothing on the NBA yet... His first season is a 25-57 suckfest...

[Malik Hairston]

Divide the NBA head coaches into 3 groups,

Poor
Average
Good

I don't think Steve Kerr can be gauged yet, so putting him in the top 10 would be speculation based on team record at the moment. He hasn't done anything. Same is true for any 1st year head coach who doesn't have a head coaching resume. Remember how well Avery Johnson did in his 1st year? Where is he now?

I think Kerr will be a decent coach, but he's not spent a lot of time moving up the coaching ladder. I think guys who move from player to head coach (I know he was a GM) miss out on a lot of training that probably needs to happen.

Well if we're going to eliminate all the inexperienced, new coaches, then that doesn't leave too many to judge..

Good: Thibs, Carlisle, Van Gundy, Spoelstra, Pop, Joerger
Average: Vogel, McHale, Tom Rivers, Casey, Wittman, Hollins, Stotts
Poor: Shaw, Scott, Saunders, Monty Williams, Brooks

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Did nothing on the NBA yet... His first season is a 25-57 suckfest...

He's got a ty roster. Celtics aren't great but still compete every single night despite a crappy roster. They need to work on not blowing games in the fourth but I'd gladly take Stevens as a Pop replacement over anyone Pop has on his bench as an assistant.

[MaNu4Tres]

Did nothing on the NBA yet... His first season is a 25-57 suckfest...

In a short sample of games, 1-3 years; especially w/ less than a marginally talented roster, you can't judge a coach solely on the record.

I watch quite a bit of basketball ( not just the Spurs), Stephens has to be in the top 10 at the very least. IMO. Hollins is near the bottom. IMO

[MaNu4Tres]

1. Pop
2. Carlisle
3. Thibs
4. Spoelstra
5. Budenholzer
6. Hornacek
7. Stephens
8. Kerr (you may question his sample size, but in his limited sample size he's mentally ahead of the coaches I listed at 10.)
9. Rivers
10a) Vogel
10b) Joerger
10c) Stotts

[testies]

People overrate coaches too much these days

their impact is on the 10 to 15th percentile

[Raven]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh

very solid ranking tbh.

[ElNono]

1. Pop
2. Carlisle
3. Thibs
4. Spoelstra
5. Budenholzer
6. Hornacek
7. Stephens
8. Kerr (you may question his sample size, but in his limited sample size he's mentally ahead of the coaches I listed at 10.)
9. Rivers
10a) Vogel
10b) Joerger
10c) Stotts

that's racist, tbh

[ElNono]

In a short sample of games, 1-3 years; especially w/ less than a marginally talented roster, you can't judge a coach solely on the record.

I watch quite a bit of basketball ( not just the Spurs), Stephens has to be in the top 10 at the very least. IMO. Hollins is near the bottom. IMO

There are no moral victories, IMO. Their record *is* what they have to show for their work. You could talk me into some coach doing above average by posting a .500 record with an abysmal/cancerous roster, but otherwise, the proof is really in the pudding.

[MaNu4Tres]

There are no moral victories, IMO. Their record *is* what they have to show for their work. You could talk me into some coach doing above average by posting a .500 record with an abysmal/cancerous roster, but otherwise, the proof is really in the pudding.

Agree to disagree. When assessing a coaches ability, there's many variables that are more relevant than an unjust W/L record especially after 1 season.

I.E: offensive philosophy, defensive philosophy, game management (time management, player management, players minute distribution, lineup distribution), awareness and the implementation of adjustments needed in the middle of play and at start of 2nd half (how quickly coaches are able to exploit mismatches or avoid the exploitation of mismatches by the opposition, recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of each player and putting the players in best position to succeed, out of bounds plays, ect.