ESPN released their first RPM ratings for the current season

[Mr Bones]

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[Beaverfuzz]

Eh, this isn't the same as RAPM. It seems to be a new stat ESPN is trying to push. I'll have to see the formula before subscribing to it. ESPN likes to do this with stats, and most of them haven't really caught on yet.

Yep, this is a bull stat.

[Mouth is Bleeding]

No ESPN started with RAPM last season. RPM is their re-brand so to speak but it's the same guy:

RPM stats are provided by Jeremias Engelmann in consultation with Steve Ilardi. RPM is based on Engelmann's xRAPM (Regularized Adjusted Plus-Minus). Play-by-play data provided by

Like all stats context is key and one stat shouldn't stand alone. Using several good ones combined with a solid eye-test is the best chance of a good picture.

Standing alone RPM like everything else standing alone will have some silly outliers in the form of some bad player rating incredible or a more or less poor one falsely showing up with the elite, but for the sake of argument standing alone I do think historically its the one stat that best reflect getting the top players that contribute the very most to winning rated the most right.

Tim and Manu have been crushing it consistently for years being among the very very best players in the league http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ .

Parker often when it comes to many advanced stats has also been hurt by not shooting threes. It's pretty gross though that this current season he is this low compared to many others.

It's still early though and many things will change. Some are way too high this early and some will make up ground.

[SupremeGuy]

So basically Tim is an immortal God, Kawhi is already the best SF in the league, and we're going to have to find a way to get Danny max money this off-season? And oh yeah, lol parker.

Does that sum it up?

[itsamanuthree]

The problem with this stat is that players in better teams are likely to get better +/- so it's not perfect... but then again, no stat is or will be, so I guess you could always use the argument "lol at this stat", because, yeah, sure, they are always a simplification of reality. What would be fair is to compare this stat with other stats and, in that sense, I think it's an improvement.

[SpursFan86]

Eh, this isn't the same as RAPM. It seems to be a new stat ESPN is trying to push. I'll have to see the formula before subscribing to it. ESPN likes to do this with stats, and most of them haven't really caught on yet.

I was sort of under the impression that it was essentially the same stat. From the ESPN article introducing it:

Real plus-minus (RPM) was developed by Jeremias Engelmann, formerly of the Phoenix Suns, in consultation with Steve Ilardi, University of Kansas psychology professor and former NBA consultant.

It follows the development of adjusted plus-minus (APM) by several analysts and regularized adjusted plus-minus (RAPM) by Joe Sill.
RPM reflects enhancements to RAPM by Engelmann, among them the use of Bayesian priors, aging curves, score of the game and extensive out-of-sample testing to improve RPM's predictive accuracy.

Engelmann was the guy who provided xRAPM stats (the ones people saw on the stats-for-the-nba website) prior IIRC. Like someone said above, I think ESPN just sort of rebranded it.

[Galileo]

what about platoon players who sub in on defense? Won't they be gyped?

[Pauleta14]

Spurstalk delivers

Indeed...

Didn't see the "Parker is expandable" since George Hill sop re year!!

[Twisted_Dawg]

Pop quiz hotshot! You're locked in a room with a Jefferson 'Pendergraph' Ayers and one Austin Daye. On a table in the middle of the room lies a Colt 45, but only one bullet is present. There are no windows and no one else is around for miles. There is a key hidden somewhere in the room but only one of the two know where it is. The oxygen levels in the room will gradually deplete over the coming hours. What is your first move?

Pistol whip both of them, lay them so their heads are side by side. Shoot one through the head so the bullet travels thru and kills the other. With both of them dead, that gives me more than enough oxygen to find the key, leave, find a computer, go to spurmtalk, post their death pictures, and be made a hero.

Tell them that whoever hands the key over first and kills the other, will get the last roster spot next season. Once there is only one standing, shoot him and take the key. Dance on the bodies waiving a spurs flag while guzzling tequila and wearing a sombrero. Opa!

If Ayres has the key, I'd throw the gun at Ayres, he wouldn't be able to catch it and an accidental bullet would strike Daye. Ayres would then panic and take the key and make a break for it, but in that time I'd make a hoop out of Daye's corpse and put it on the table. Before Ayres runs, I'll tell him that I know where his dad is, and I'll tell him if he dunks it into Daye. As soon as he bricks and key ricochets to me, I'll go out, and right before I close and lock the door, I'll tell Ayres UH HUH! and he'll clap and suffocate.

If Daye has the key, I'd make him bench press the gun, he would drop it due to lack of a spotter, an accidental bullet would then strike Ayres, and Daye would panic, take the key, and make a run for it. In that time, I'd make a hoop out of Ayres' corpse, and before Daye leaves, I'd tell him that his fingerprints are on the gun, and he'll be framed for murder, but I'll be willing to put my prints on the gun if he can shoot a long distance shot into Ayres. As soon as he bricks and it ricochets into my hands, I'll go out and right before I lock the door, I'll tell Daye you can come if you promise to play defense. Once he admits he can't, I'll close the door and leave.

We got some creative mother ers on this board!

[Drom John]

ESPN seems to be updating PRM daily.

[Diego20]

Don't see some Parker suckers here.. I wonder why