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    Look when the suns find a starting shooting gurard you can have an opinion tool. Worry about your own team hater.

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    Payton and Malone weren't gravy trainers. GTs contribute nothing of value to the team. The best recent example I can think of is Mitch Richmond with the Lakers. Dude barely saw the floor, but he collected a ring.

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    Serioulsy its pretty sad thats all you can say to justify these excellent moves by the spurs. Your a bag!!!

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    Are Nicky and Finley the Payton and Malone of a few years ago? Gravy training for a ring only to have it backfire. Spurs are better, but ya still have to play the games.
    Malone almost didn't play because of his injury. Finley is totally fine, after all almost every team in the league went after him.

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    Whoa. That's deep. spurschick's Avatar
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    How is it considered gravy training when we asked them to be on the team?

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    All that gravytraining mess will cease as soon as fin or nick hit a game winning shot!

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    C'mon, you guys probably didn't need them, but if Karl and payton were gravytraining, who's role was MUCH bigger with there team, why are these guys not?

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    He had to post this right?


    After he claimed many times he had no chance in San Antonio?


    Oh, btw...


    What happened to those letters begging him to go to PHX?

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    It is funny how everyone on this site crapped on LA and Miami for getting over the hill players for a final run at the finals. There are a few differences here, our guys come in knowing that they are backups(hopefully). But I do have some issues with these signings and chemistry is definitely one of the issues.
    These are actually are very good points, and I share your concerns. The major difference is this:

    Payton and Malone joined the Kobe-Shaq Circus already in progress.

    NVE and Finley are coming to the Tim Duncan Snoozefest/Love-In.

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    The environment is so different with LA and San Antonio. Like Shoog said, they are joining a team that is very together and strict, we know LA wasn't like that. But the whole premise of 2 aging Vets joining a championship favourite is similar to the Payton and Malone one but you must remember Payton and Malone are huge names in NBA history, where as Nick Van Exel and Michael Finley aren't. It is not as grand as what the Lakers did in 2003/2004.

    My main worry about this is the team is to stacked as it is. I hope moves are made to get rid of certain players. I don't fear any problems like LA had.

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    My main worry about this is the team is to stacked as it is. I hope moves are made to get rid of certain players. I don't fear any problems like LA had.
    Who do you think we need to get rid of? Rasho? I don't think he will squawk about minutes, and he'll be very servicable for what he's called to do now.

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    Don't get me wrong, i don't think that its the same situation in that respects. But i think the whole gravytraining part is laughble that anyone would try to refute that.

    Webster's has this explaination for gravytrain

    a much exploited source of easy money

    Since were talking about rings, not money, wouldn't the easier source be a team where your role is smaller?

    Was shaq trying to gravytrain when he went to Miami bc his role there was going to be huge?

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    Just wait till Garnet comes to SA to get his ring.

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    Just wait till Garnet comes to SA to get his ring.

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    yeah they're gravy-training. They basically said so themselves. But we're Spurs fans, not Finley and Van Exel fans, so we'll take it.

    I think the reason Malone and Payton got more flak was because they had Hall of Fame careers but were missing the Championship from their resumes. Some people saw them going to the Lakers as a cheap attempt to erase their legacies as Losers. This was probably unfair, but Malone and Payton were not exactly the most beloved players by non-Jazz and Sonic fans.

    Finley and NVE aren't exactly going to solidify any legacy here... they just want a taste of the ring.

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    i knew the haters would come out and try and put their negative spin on it.

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    Dallas should package Nowitski to Minnesota for Garnett and ing rebuild.

    That's their only chance.

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    I'm sorry TPark, i was trying to discuss this with SPURS fans.

    I know you might have gotten confused by the whole "gravytraining" but this thread wasn't about "now that we have finley and NVE, how many gravytraining fairweather fans will support the spurs?"

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    I didn't know I was adressing you.


    Also, you.

    Who the are you to judge me. You aint . Go yourself.

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    Who do you think we need to get rid of? Rasho? I don't think he will squawk about minutes, and he'll be very servicable for what he's called to do now.
    I think the Rasho/Nazr situation needs to be sorted. Finley and Barry both good players who want minutes coming off the bench? Beno and NVE off the bench? Beno is young he wants a chance. The players aren't exactly the complaining type, but the team feels a little bit too stacked, not that that is a huge problem

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    But you can't deny they are gravy training. If they get the ring all the better for them, but they are gravy training.
    Yeah, but they are our gravy trainers.

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    Who do you think we need to get rid of? Rasho? I don't think he will squawk about minutes, and he'll be very servicable for what he's called to do now.
    There's that word again. What does that MEAN!!!? If Rasho is serviceable, who (besides Angel Luv) is going to service him? Beno? And what good does Rasho's ability to get serviced do the team?

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    No, I think that in a sense NVE and Finley are like payton and Malone - solid players who wanted their ring. And the Lakers might have gotten it, if Shaq and Kobe were better co-leaders, and if Malone hadn't gotten hurt. But there's the difference. NVE and Finley know their roles, but Duncan and Bowen are better leaders of this team. Also, outside of the big 4 on the Lakers, they were not as good as the Spurs are now. Spurs have a solid 12 man roster (the tough part might be picking who's on the playoff roster) in which everyone knows their role.

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    Nothing wrong with that, but it's called gravy training. I didn't say it was good or bad, just what it is. JoJo certainly cared more about $$ than a ring and I could care less that he's gone.
    You've spouted so much in this thread that your eyes are brown. You are a lying/denying MF if you really say you care less if Johnson is gone. Without Johnson and Richardson, the Sun has already set on their season. Also, don/t even try to form your mouth to say you didn't want the Suns to get Finley.

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