Assuming Tim and Manu retires next season..The team next year?

[Mouth is Bleeding]

Marc Gasol coming would also be amazing for all the people always damning the Spurs for the David Robinson period immediately followed by Timmy...

Gasol isn't in that class of course but with how good the team is overall the impact would still be similarly elite and instant doom for all those fans of other teams just waiting (in secret or not) for Spurs to suffer like their pathetic teams have for years.

[Richie]

Depends on how high the cap will be. Its probably going to be at least $66 million. Zach Lowe mentioned that several GMs think it will reach $70+ million. If it hits $68.5 then the Spurs could fit Gasol and then use bird rights for Leonard and Green. We could bring over LJC and use our 1st rounder to fill two roster spots on the cheap ($1.8 million combined). That would give us like 10 players for around $80 million.

We have Danny's bird rights we can go over the cap for him. We wouldn't have to let him walk

If the cap is $67m we'll only have around $15m in cap room with our guaranteed contracts, Kawhi and Dannys cap hold and the roster charges, not enough for Gasol.

If Gasol wants to come but demands the max we let Danny walk, giving us around $23m which is in excess of Gasols max. However, it seems quite un-Spurs to let a team veteran walk just to clear space for a free agent who might not sign here.

It's hard to speculate until we know the cap figure, but if the choice is between Marc Gasol and Danny Green then the correct decision is pretty obvious.

[The Reckoning]

spurs won't get any of those players lol biggest sign they've had was diaw and nobody wanted him

[rasuo214]

I'd rather keep Green than try and get Gasol (if the Spurs had to pick between the 2). There's a very slim chance Gasol will come to the Spurs, not worth the risk in losing a key player just to have a shot. Especially since I'm not sure Parker/???/Kawhi/Splitter/Gasol is that much better than Parker/Green/Kawhi/Diaw/Splitter.

[aal04]

Tim and Manu arent going to free up that much cap space. There is no way we will get better value.

Id rather a young raw big with a good head on his shoulders than Gasol. Gasol is MVP for me so far this season, but he is like 30. Need to get a sub 25 year old

[Richie]

Tim and Manu arent going to free up that much cap space. There is no way we will get better value.

Id rather a young raw big with a good head on his shoulders than Gasol. Gasol is MVP for me so far this season, but he is like 30. Need to get a sub 25 year old

Not all 30 year olds are built equal. Marc was 24 as a rookie and has only played around 17,000 minutes in the NBA including the playoffs. That's only 3,500 more minutes than 25 year old Ibaka and 23,000 less than 30 year old Lebron for example. No need to worry about his age, his body just doesn't have the NBA mileage that other players have.

[Richie]

I'd rather keep Green than try and get Gasol (if the Spurs had to pick between the 2). There's a very slim chance Gasol will come to the Spurs, not worth the risk in losing a key player just to have a shot. Especially since I'm not sure Parker/???/Kawhi/Splitter/Gasol is that much better than Parker/Green/Kawhi/Diaw/Splitter.

You might be right about keeping Green instead of rolling the dice and possibly missing on Gasol, but lets say hypothetically Gasol calls Buford and says 'give me the max and I'm a Spur' would you seriously say no in favour of re-signing Green? I can't believe anyone would really think we're a better team with Danny Green over Marc Gasol.

[rasuo214]

You might be right about keeping Green instead of rolling the dice and possibly missing on Gasol, but lets say hypothetically Gasol calls Buford and says 'give me the max and I'm a Spur' would you seriously say no in favour of re-signing Green? I can't believe anyone would really think we're a better team with Danny Green over Marc Gasol.

Well that's a bit different. I'd still like to know who replaces Green though. It's not so much who is the better player between Green and Gasol (the answer is obviously Gasol) but what gives the Spurs the better team.

[BillMc]

Might be wishful thinking on my part, I am not so sure the basic assumption is correct. Tim has never hinted at retirement next year, it has all been speculation from fans and media. Last I recall he said he'd go until the wheels fell off. And those wheels are looking pretty good as he's still a Top 5 big in this league when you consider both sides of the ball. Manu too could come back. I think the chances that BOTH retire after this season aren't that great, but I could be wrong I admit it.

[ElNono]

Tank, tbh

[Richie]

Might be wishful thinking on my part, I am not so sure the basic assumption is correct. Tim has never hinted at retirement next year, it has all been speculation from fans and media. Last I recall he said he'd go until the wheels fell off. And those wheels are looking pretty good as he's still a Top 5 big in this league when you consider both sides of the ball. Manu too could come back. I think the chances that BOTH retire after this season aren't that great, but I could be wrong I admit it.

This is yet another big question mark which makes this discussion so difficult. The main question if they return is how much do they want to make? Is $5m and $2.5m (Room Exception) enough for Timmy and Manu respectively? If so we could still have room for Gasol if we let Green go. If they want more then we should just bring everyone back and try and find someone short term with then $8m~ or so we will be left with

[BillMc]

This is yet another big question mark which makes this discussion so difficult. The main question if they return is how much do they want to make? Is $5m and $2.5m (Room Exception) enough for Timmy and Manu respectively? If so we could still have room for Gasol if we let Green go. If they want more then we should just bring everyone back and try and find someone short term with then $8m~ or so we will be left with

You're right, it does cloud the picture. I would imagine Timmy and Manu would want salaries about what they have now. Also, I think letting Green go to try and get Gasol would be a mistake. He went to high school in Memphis (even though he's Spanish) and by all accounts is happy there. Doubt he leaves.

[Richie]

You're right, it does cloud the picture. I would imagine Timmy and Manu would want salaries about what they have now. Also, I think letting Green go to try and get Gasol would be a mistake. He went to high school in Memphis (even though he's Spanish) and by all accounts is happy there. Doubt he leaves.

I agree, but at the same time if I'm the Spurs I'm not going to be trying to sign Danny to a contract on the first day of free agency. Let both the front office and Danny test the market to see what possibilities there are. I only let Green go if I'm certain Gasol is coming, otherwise I probably don't risk it.

[cd021]

If the cap is $67m we'll only have around $15m in cap room with our guaranteed contracts, Kawhi and Dannys cap hold and the roster charges, not enough for Gasol.

If Gasol wants to come but demands the max we let Danny walk, giving us around $23m which is in excess of Gasols max. However, it seems quite un-Spurs to let a team veteran walk just to clear space for a free agent who might not sign here.

It's hard to speculate until we know the cap figure, but if the choice is between Marc Gasol and Danny Green then the correct decision is pretty obvious.

Kyle Anderson	$ 1,142,879.00
Tony Parker	$ 13,437,500.00
Patty Mills	$ 3,578,947.00
Boris Diaw	$ 7,000,000.00
Tiago Splitter	$ 8,500,000.00
Livio Jean Charles	$ 918,000.00
Kawhi Leonard	$ 7,200,000.00
Danny Green	$ 7,600,000.00

1st Round Pick $918,000.00
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$50.3

If we take out LJC and the 1st rounder then it will be $48.5 million for 7 players. That would be about $18 million in cap space assuming it goes to $66.3 million (projected to go that high) Its been mentioned that the NBA may "smooth" out the gigantic cap jump by raising the cap each season. The Cap will reach around $88 million. If they split the $26 million over the next 3 seasons it would push the cap to around $72 million.


If it goes to $72 million the Spurs would have around $24 million to spend. They could give Gasol a 4 years, $80 million deal. and have around $4 million to spend. They will probably bring over LJC and they could use their 1st rounder for a cheap roster spot. Then they could use bird rights for KL and Green.

[cd021]

No way Leonard doesn't get max.

I assumed Leonard would be getting the max. I put his salary at $16.6 million, though the $80 million figure would be closer to $81 million.

[Richie]

If we take out LJC and the 1st rounder then it will be $48.5 million for 7 players. That would be about $18 million in cap space assuming it goes to $66.3 million (projected to go that high) Its been mentioned that the NBA may "smooth" out the gigantic cap jump by raising the cap each season. The Cap will reach around $88 million. If they split the $26 million over the next 3 seasons it would push the cap to around $72 million.

If we only have 7 players, you're forgetting 5 roster cap holds of $550,000 each, totalling $2.75m, giving us closer to the $15m I mentioned.

Also, Cap smoothing isn't as easy as it sounds considering it would be going against the CBA.

[Cklbmk]

If the cap is $67m we'll only have around $15m in cap room with our guaranteed contracts, Kawhi and Dannys cap hold and the roster charges, not enough for Gasol.

If Gasol wants to come but demands the max we let Danny walk, giving us around $23m which is in excess of Gasols max. However, it seems quite un-Spurs to let a team veteran walk just to clear space for a free agent who might not sign here.

It's hard to speculate until we know the cap figure, but if the choice is between Marc Gasol and Danny Green then the correct decision is pretty obvious.

Tbh the choice becomes Tiago and Marc Gasol

You think the Spurs pay tiago 8.5mil to come off the bench?

They'd just trade him off for nothing / small asset / give up a small asset.

DG way better than trying to make Gasol and Splitter work on O.

Parker- Green- Kawhi- Diaw- Gasol
Mills- ??(Beli for min?) - Anderson- J. Green - Baynes

Still a threat

[Johnny RIngo]

Tbh the choice becomes Tiago and Marc Gasol

You think the Spurs pay tiago 8.5mil to come off the bench?

They'd just trade him off for nothing / small asset / give up a small asset.

DG way better than trying to make Gasol and Splitter work on O.

Parker- Green- Kawhi- Diaw- Gasol
Mills- ??(Beli for min?) - Anderson- J. Green - Baynes

Still a threat

What makes you think they wouldn't work well together on offense? Their offensive games aren't similar at all. Splitter plays inside while Marc can stretch the floor. They'd make a great duo imo.

[Richie]

Tbh the choice becomes Tiago and Marc Gasol

You think the Spurs pay tiago 8.5mil to come off the bench?

They'd just trade him off for nothing / small asset / give up a small asset.

DG way better than trying to make Gasol and Splitter work on O.

Parker- Green- Kawhi- Diaw- Gasol
Mills- ??(Beli for min?) - Anderson- J. Green - Baynes

Still a threat

Marc Gasol can do everything that 38 year old Timmy can do, except most things he does better. If Tiago and Timmy can work together, then Gasol will be an easy fit.

I think it's easier to find another perimeter defender than it is to find a big man that can give us everything that Tiago gives us. I remember the years of Timmy struggling next to Bonner/Blair/McDyess when we were dying for another 7 footer, for me Tiago is more valuable than Green.

[cjw]

Same with Draymond Green, plus he's a restricted FA.

I think guys like Jonas Jerebko and Brandan Wright are more likely.

I pray someone throws a ridiculous contract at Green that the W's are forced to match. Put them into luxury tax to limit end of roster flexibility.

Will be interesting to see what the Celtics do with Wright - imagine him in Portland.

[wildchild]

Tank, tbh

Despite the sarcasm, that's not the obvious way, it's possible to avoid the tank process and still build a contender.
Maybe the Rockets aren't the typical example, but after T-Mac/Yao era they didn't draft in the top 10 last six years and never finished below 9th seed.

Even with the new TV deal, I'm not sure after Tony's contract if the Spurs are in a position to make a big move in future years, 2016 or 2017. But at least next summer if Aldridge, Gasol or big star free agent like them aren't willing to play in San Antonio, the Spurs can still lure mid talent to keep a compe ive team.

[Richie]

I pray someone throws a ridiculous contract at Green that the W's are forced to match. Put them into luxury tax to limit end of roster flexibility.

Will be interesting to see what the Celtics do with Wright - imagine him in Portland.

I think the playoffs will be a big decider for Green, but I think he's heading for $12m+ per year.

More interesting for the Warriors is Harrison Barnes. I think he's gonna be a really good player and I expect him to get around the same as Green, which would kill the Warriors in tax.

[100%duncan]

Tank, tbh

[Mr Bones]

I pray someone throws a ridiculous contract at Green that the W's are forced to match. Put them into luxury tax to limit end of roster flexibility.

Will be interesting to see what the Celtics do with Wright - imagine him in Portland.

Yeah, after giving big contracts to Curry and Thompson, Green could possibly be the Warriors' first sacrifice.... If they can't unload David Lee's contract, they'd be far into luxury tax giving Green even $8 or $9 mil, and Green's the kind of versatile player that any team would want... he'll get offers for sure.

[Mel_13]

Aldridge and Gasol are pipe dreams. Not because the Spurs wouldn't sacrifice Green to get one of them, and not because free agents won't sign in San Antonio. They're pipe dreams because both players will get five year max contract offers from their current teams and both players will take those offers.