Yes I agree he's a solid defender. Not DPOY material though.
However, Batum and Parsons both have noticeably more natural talent and ability than Green.
He also has had the luxury of being on a fantastic team with fantastic coaching. The "exiting in the 1st and 2nd rounds" is stupid beyond belief to knock a role player for. Knocking stars for their team underachieving is one thing, knocking role players for being on teams that don't win championships because they are not championship caliber is stupid.
This. He's on a well coached team where his specific skills are highly needed and utilized (spot up shooter and scrappy defense). On other teams, he most likely would not have quite the same level of success elsewhere, much like Brandon Wright after he left Dallas.
In general, unless you have strong ball handling abilities for your position, you will never be anything more than a 4th or 5th option role player at best on any legit team. Green will never be more than what he is right now (5th option at best). Parsons and Batum both can be much more than that.
Leave it to spurfans to overrate yet another one of their role players. Now they think they have Ron Artest 3.0 on their hands
BS
Marco Ferrari Benchinelli plays for the Spurs and his defense is dog . Same with Gary Neal. Spurs system does not automatically make somone an elite defender. Green is a combo of elite defender + dead eye shooter. a lethal combo and for the price, it's dynamite
without Green Spurs record would be below Lakers level
I agree with you Phillip if I had to sign someone long-term I would probably take Parsons first, despite his lack of defense ...I think he has the most upside I doubt Batum ever meets his and Green is at his "peak" already tbh.Yes I agree he's a solid defender. Not DPOY material though.
However, Batum and Parsons both have noticeably more natural talent and ability than Green.
He also has had the luxury of being on a fantastic team with fantastic coaching. The "exiting in the 1st and 2nd rounds" is stupid beyond belief to knock a role player for. Knocking stars for their team underachieving is one thing, knocking role players for being on teams that don't win championships because they are not championship caliber is stupid.
This. He's on a well coached team where his specific skills are highly needed and utilized (spot up shooter and scrappy defense). On other teams, he most likely would not have quite the same level of success elsewhere, much like Brandon Wright after he left Dallas.
In general, unless you have strong ball handling abilities for your position, you will never be anything more than a 4th or 5th option role player at best on any legit team. Green will never be more than what he is right now (5th option at best). Parsons and Batum both can be much more than that.
Leave it to spurfans to overrate yet another one of their role players. Now they think they have Ron Artest 3.0 on their hands
No one said Green is a poor defender.
lol madYes I agree he's a solid defender. Not DPOY material though.
However, Batum and Parsons both have noticeably more natural talent and ability than Green.
He also has had the luxury of being on a fantastic team with fantastic coaching. The "exiting in the 1st and 2nd rounds" is stupid beyond belief to knock a role player for. Knocking stars for their team underachieving is one thing, knocking role players for being on teams that don't win championships because they are not championship caliber is stupid.
This. He's on a well coached team where his specific skills are highly needed and utilized (spot up shooter and scrappy defense). On other teams, he most likely would not have quite the same level of success elsewhere, much like Brandon Wright after he left Dallas.
In general, unless you have strong ball handling abilities for your position, you will never be anything more than a 4th or 5th option role player at best on any legit team. Green will never be more than what he is right now (5th option at best). Parsons and Batum both can be much more than that.
Leave it to spurfans to overrate yet another one of their role players. Now they think they have Ron Artest 3.0 on their hands
Green is easily better at basketball (not every facet, but the ones that matter) than Batum/Parsons. Even if his skillset doesn't get him paid (because scorers are who get paid typically), hes better than both those guys.
b-b-b-b-but Green and Leonard are role players that get carried by the mighty big 3
If Manu doesn't turn the ball over 8 times and miss a FT late in the 4th of 6, Green has a fMVP to his name
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Name 15 players better than him. Keep in consideration defense is the other 50% of the game.
chris paul
Kevin Durant
RW
Curry
Griffin
CP3
AD
Cousins
Harden
Klay Thompson
Lebron James
Chris Bosh
Jimmy Butler
Noah
Love
Cancer Melo (maybe, can't deny his talent)
John Wall
Beal
Aldridge
Howard (once he gets back from injury)
Lowry
Dragic
Fat Gasol
That's just me vomiting out names at this point, to tell you how much effort it took
Also, don't overestimate defense so much into your player ranking formula, if so, might as well put Tony Allen real high too.
chris paul
Kevin Durant
RW
Curry
Griffin
CP3
AD
Cousins
Harden
Klay Thompson
Lebron James
Chris Bosh
Jimmy Butler
Noah
Love
Cancer Melo (maybe, can't deny his talent)
John Wall
Beal
Aldridge
Howard (once he gets back from injury)
Lowry
Dragic
Fat Gasol
That's just me vomiting out names at this point, to tell you how much effort it took
Also, don't overestimate defense so much into your player ranking formula, if so, might as well put Tony Allen real high too.
come on son. Bosh? Beal? Dragic? better than Kawhi???
have some self respect
Defense wins championships, don't you realize that yet? All these teams with their stacked offense and poor defense or even average, they NEVER win lol, year after year. They get wins but it's all fools gold, that's what most fans and even franchises don't realize. When was the last time team without an elite defense didn't win a championship? What is the point of building a team that will only get you regular season wins?chris paul
Kevin Durant
RW
Curry
Griffin
CP3
AD
Cousins
Harden
Klay Thompson
Lebron James
Chris Bosh
Jimmy Butler
Noah
Love
Cancer Melo (maybe, can't deny his talent)
John Wall
Beal
Aldridge
Howard (once he gets back from injury)
Lowry
Dragic
Fat Gasol
That's just me vomiting out names at this point, to tell you how much effort it took
Also, don't overestimate defense so much into your player ranking formula, if so, might as well put Tony Allen real high too.
Leonard is better than Thompson, Butler, Melo, Wall, Dragic, Lowry, Beal, Bosh, even owned the out of both Griffin and Cp3 this year as well, made them his es tbh.
A lot of those guys get to play in the leastern conference as well, Leonard could easily average 20+ over there. Can't wait until Leonard gets fully healthy this year, it'll start reflecting in his stats. (Also plays less mins that all those guys)
Leonard/Green have been the Spurs' perimeter defense for years, and what wins championships? Defense. Duncan's defense fell off a couple years ago, Green, Leonard/ Splitter helped revive it. If you look at the roster the only average defenders are really Joseph/Mills/Manu, Parker/Diaw/Belli/Ayres/Daye/Anderson/Bonner/Baynes are all very poor defenders (Diaw's defense has really fallen off), Parker I believe has been the 10th worst defender in the entire NBA, Belli is up there with him as well as Bonner, Baynes, Ayres, literally all of these guys have been a liability on defense this year. They all suck at rebounding as well.
Splitter/Duncan are the only other elite defenders on the roster, and Splitter was injured this whole year, 1 out of the 3 average defenders, Mills, has also been injured. Spurs still had a top 5 defense this year thanks to Leonard/Green and Duncan, and as I said before, both those guys helped elevate Duncan's game.
Defense also creates offense, and Leonard is key to the Spurs' offense the way he pushes the ball off of rebounds and steals. He always pushes the ball up court creating all sorts of mismatches, Spurs break down the already discombobulated defense even more and get easy buckets. Things like that won't show up on the stat sheet.
leonard is your future franchise player, while Green's ceiling is just a solid role player as he is.
Stupid.
chris paul
Kevin Durant
RW
Curry
Griffin
CP3
AD
Cousins
Harden
Klay Thompson
Lebron James
Chris Bosh
Jimmy Butler
Noah
Love
Cancer Melo (maybe, can't deny his talent)
John Wall
Beal
Aldridge
Howard (once he gets back from injury)
Lowry
Dragic
Fat Gasol
That's just me vomiting out names at this point, to tell you how much effort it took
Also, don't overestimate defense so much into your player ranking formula, if so, might as well put Tony Allen real high too.lot of terrible names on that list
Also, I'd take Parsons due to being younger, though I'd like to see Batum playing under a better coach.
Not at all. There's a huge difference in being "more gifted" vs being actually more impactful on teams that have a desire to win. Danny's game and his abiity to impact both sides of the ball outweigh his flaws when compared to a guy like Parsons'/Batum's impact. Given, they don't really play the same position (Green is a SG, while the other two are SF's), if you replace Parsons/Batum with Green both those teams get better.
Both players are nothing special, particularly Parsons, tbh..
Batum's shooting is a huge flaw, he was mediocre in the past 2 playoff runs, and has probably been one of the worst starters in the NBA among playoff teams this season..I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, though, it's probably just an off-season..overall, at least he's a solid passer that can play point-forward and an above average defensive player..
Parsons doesn't do anything at a high level, he's one of the most overrated players in the NBA..he's a slightly above average overall player that doesn't have a niche that makes him useful to a championship team..realistically, he is only known because he's White IMO..he literally doesn't do anything at a high level
Last edited by Malik Hairston; 01-08-2015 at 10:31 PM.
People mistake playing 1 vs. 1 with role on a championship team
Mainstrean NBA fans..chris paul
Kevin Durant
RW
Curry
Griffin
CP3
AD
Cousins
Harden
Klay Thompson
Lebron James
Chris Bosh
Jimmy Butler
Noah
Love
Cancer Melo (maybe, can't deny his talent)
John Wall
Beal
Aldridge
Howard (once he gets back from injury)
Lowry
Dragic
Fat Gasol
That's just me vomiting out names at this point, to tell you how much effort it took
Also, don't overestimate defense so much into your player ranking formula, if so, might as well put Tony Allen real high too.
Still thinks Noah is good...The third best player for the Bulls is better than the beset Player for the defending champs..
Mainstream dumbass fans..
hard to argue with this kind
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