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at cutting January Joe Bags but not Struggle.
if we were remaking this list...
i'd cut tannehill and bridgewater pretty easily, and probably cam. flacco too, perhaps. replace them with cousins, winston, prescott... then who? mariota? garoppolo?
flacco has been in the league for 9 years, he's 31. his 2012 playoff run is stuff of legend, but i'm not giving him a free pass going forward because of something really good he did 4 years ago. he's an average-ish qb.
wilson last year threw for more yards, more td's, and less interceptions than flacco ever has
Joe Bags has never had a team even half as stacked as Struggle's. And he gives zero s about the regular season.
The Seahawks would be going for a fivepeat right now if they had Flacco instead of Struggle.
Are you just a re ? Dude, you are a joke, ok?
Compare Flaccos entire career to the one below it, ok guy?
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...F/FlacJo00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...W/WilsRu00.htm
What do we all see there slick?
Last edited by Avante; 12-06-2016 at 07:06 PM.
2012 + most road playoff wins of any QB ever > Struggle's entire career
do you ever get tired of playing a shtick and ever just want to have an actual nfl discussion, tbh?
Now compare his body of work in his career vs what Wilson has done. So what do we see?
There ain't NOBODY who thinks Flacco is better than Wilson. Yep, you're the only one, but you also think Anderson is better than Newton, hahahaha~~~~~
Speaking of the Ravens, how is Terrance West doing?
I always have actual NFL discussions. All my arguments are backed up by facts and stats. People just can't stand how correct my takes are 95% of the time, so they desperately need it to be a "schtick" to suit their agendas.
Ya mean FACTS like Flacco was ranked 97 in the last NFL Top 100, with RW at 17? FACTS like Flaccos stats are wimpy compared to RW's, those FACTS?
Tell us all again about how Rex is exposing the Raiders for the fakes they are, hahahahaha~~~~ You did get one thng right, that is about 95%, but it's about being wrong.
Dude, what do you have against reality, you seem to stay as far away from it as ya can, why?
i get that you dont like wilson. most of this forum doesn't either. but the constant charade about him not being starting caliber, etc, is just a schtick and it just bogs down what could be discussion into troll threads
He runs down Peyton and Wilson, but talks up Flacco and Derek Anderson, that right there says it all about the guy.
Flacco will always put up pedestrian RS #'s...but if you ask me which of the 2 I need to carry my team in the playoffs I'll take Joe Bags any day of the week. There are three QB's of our most recent generation (Manning/Brady era), that no matter how bad they look on paper, once they hit the playoffs NOBODY wants to draw them: Big Rape, Eli, and Joe Bags.
Brady is an obvious choice too, but his excellence hardly ever wavers from RS to PS so he was a shoe-in. Big Ben is usually a stud in both the RS and PS too. Something about the other 2 though...they turn into Joe Montana in the playoffs
Reality....
Playoff stats
Flacco
comp % 56.6
TD.INT...25-10
Passer rating....88.6
Rushing...87 yards
Russell Wilson
60.5
16-9
93.4
308
Keep in mind, Wilson plants the seed...will he run or pass?...something Flacco doesn't do.
Last edited by Avante; 12-07-2016 at 09:51 AM.
Just sit this this one out, you can't win a playoff debate between these two. Those #'s just made my case, especially the TD-INT ratio (lol same amt of picks)...also factor in that Flacco has played in 15 playoff games (13/15 of those games were on the road!), and in all 6 playoff runs he's had to face AT LEAST one of the following: Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger...that's 8 superbowl wins among them. He has won handily against all of them in a playoff road game (and also lost to them, to be fair, with just the 2009 Colts matchup being a blowout).
Russell has played 6 road games out of 10 (including SB's): In the first SB against Denver, he had 95 yards passing and no TD's until the score was 29-0. In his second SB against NE he choked harder than Jackie Smith in what is universally accepted as the worst play in SB history (worse than Garo Yepremian). He beat Drew Brees (in Seattle, but had like 100 passing yards though
EDIT: We can't forget how he also defeated the 7-8-1 Panthers (in Seattle) in a Divisional Round playoff game. Definitely equal compe ion they've faced
Just realized half of Wilson's 10 playoff games have been against black QB's, whereas Joe played against just one (Kaepernick, but he was killing it that year and DC's had no game film on the pistol yet)
yeah, flacco's playoff resume is more impressive than wilson's to this point, but imo a lot of that has to do with flacco having been in the league for 5 more years. its easy to knock on wilson for having a good defense, but in Flacco's first 2 years where he racked up his road playoff wins that keep getting cited, the ravens defense gave up 15 ppg and 16 ppg in those two years
in the 2008 playoffs, the ravens won at miami, where flacco completed 9 of 23 passes for 135 yards, and they won at tennessee where he completed 11 of 22 for 161 and 1 td. in their loss he completed 13 of 30 for 141 and 3 INT's. and again, this on a team with a great defense allowing 15 ppg. if that was wilson in his rookie year, would you say he's a young clutch qb winning impressive road playoff games?
in the 2009 playoffs, they beat the pats in a game where flacco completed 4 of 10 passes for 34 yards and 1 INT. in their loss the next week he completed 20 of 35 for 189 and 2 INT's. again, on a team giving up 16 ppg.
the problem with the wilson/flacco thing is you aren't putting them on an equal playing field. flacco gets credit for winning road playoff games as rookie and sop re where he was a playoff nonfactor on a team with a good run game and elite defense. but when wilson also racked up some impressive wins in his first couple of years, he gets no credit because... he had a great defense?
granted, wilson hasn't had a playoff run that rivals Flacco's 2012, which was arguably the best of all time. and even that came in a year where ray rice accounted for more yardage than marshawn lynch did in the seahawks superbowl year. and that run was only possible because a denver safety fell down and allowed a ridiculous miracle heave to keep them alive. they were down 7 with 40 seconds and no timeouts, 70 yards away
i think its perfectly fair to call flacco the better playoff qb to this point, but he's had more time to put that resume together, which is still largely held together by 1 great run in a 9 year career
Last edited by spurraider21; 12-07-2016 at 05:18 PM.
Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Brees, Rivers, Eli.....all HOF bound.
Maybe....Wilson, Luck make it also.
The sky is the limit for Prescott and Carr.
The best of the rest...Ryan and Stafford.
Winston looks to be coming on. Mariota?
Newton has seen his best days.
Nobody else worth mentioning.
As do I.
You can always tell...yep...YOU SHOOT SICK PaeDOS in the heaD ! Rookies
So do I.
Well let's see....
Flacco career stats
comp% 61.3 RW...64.8
Most TD in a season...27 RW 34
Least INT;s in a season...10, RW 7
QB rating 84.6, RW100.3
Most yards in a season...3986, RW 4024
No need to even ralk about rushing.
RW has won a playoff game in every season.
There is nothing there that says Flacco, it's all RW.
Flacco was ranked 97 in the last NFL top 100, RW number 17, so the players go with RW. As does this guy who has seen them all since Johnny U.
So there's Joe Flacco who has worst TD/INT ratio, inferior comp %, yards in a season, QB rating, rushing, and his peers see him WAY behind RW.
Facts are cool~~~
Taking their best numbers and making a fantasy season.
Flacco
comp% 64.4, RW 68.1
yards 3986, RW 4024
TD/INT 27/10, RW 34/7
QB rating 93.6, RW 110.1
There is nothing anywhere that has Flacco better than RW.
Compare their playoff stats and we see the same thing.
Flacco
comp% 56.60, RW 60.51
QB rating 88.6, RW 93.4
How could anyone not get this?
And we are ignoring the stress RW puts on a defense because of his running ability.
Last edited by Avante; 12-11-2016 at 10:18 AM.
Seattle would trade Struggle for Flacco straight up if that was ever an option.
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