I will preface my post with the disclaimer that I have not read anything in it.
But I will say this: if mother ers are going to shoot at rescuers bringing relief supplies in, then I can see where the man is coming from.
I'm not surprised at all about the shooters.
There are several hundred hardcore criminals in New Orleans whose goal is to run off relief workers so that they can go kill off the weak and helpless and loot their few possessions.
In a chaotic apocalyptic situation, things go "Lord of the Flies" very quickly.
The ones that could get out, but chose not to? I blame them too.
Agree 100%. I'm willing to bet that a lot of people could have left.
well you cant blame them
how many times has there been evacuations that werent neccesary? and everytime they say "REALLY", "this time you really should get out"
well you cant blame them
how many times has there been evacuations that werent neccesary? and everytime they say "REALLY", "this time you really should get out"Mandatory
yeah i know
but they arent gonna arrest you and take you to the edge of town
EVERY time a strong hurricane came near New Orleans, there was a serious risk of the current catastrophe.
Every time an evacuation was ordered and the city was dealt only a glancing blow, it was LUCK.
EVERY evacuation was necessary because any of those storms could have been "the one" and it can't be predicted with perfect accuracy where exactly they would go.
That city was just incredibly vulnerable.
Educating the populace about that is impossible, however. Louisiana can't even teach anybody how to read in their school system*, much less make them all layman civil engineers and meteorologists.
*And that's exactly how the white folks liked it. Their solution to the Civil Rights movement was to send all their kids to private schools, and all but defund the public school system where the black kids had to go.
I agree
Nevertheless, if there's a MANDATORY evacuation order, and the mayor is out there basically telling people that they're going to die if they don't find shelter somewhere, and you decide "oh, it's not really that bad," then yeah I blame you when you end up on your roof.
The folks who followed instructions and went to the Superdome are blameless. The folks who couldn't get to the Superdome but had the werewithal to get to the Convention Center are blameless. The folks who were too old, too weak, too sick, or had too many people under their care to evacuate are blameless.
Take all those people out of the equation, and you're probably down to just a few thousands of people whose predicament is just because of their own stupidity. And of those, a significant portion are just savage criminals who wanted to stay behind so they could prey on other victims.
well no because i own a pickup truck
id pack up my and get out
my grandma lives in flood plain and every couple of years they come and tell her to get out
shes left once and her old house was destroyed, luck i guess
they do that to save their own asses
but she knows the river can crest at exactly 32 ft and not wet the carpet
I'm impressed.
I disagree with blaming those that were stuck on rooftops. I lived in an apartment building and when the fire alarm went off everyone went outside. Turned out some idiot pulled the alarm everytime. I stopped going outside. In these peoples case, they would have to majorly disrupt their lives and drive a great to distance to avert a danger that they saw as another false alarm. Blame them, no, but call them stupid...maybe.
Well said.Nevertheless, if there's a MANDATORY evacuation order, and the mayor is out there basically telling people that they're going to die if they don't find shelter somewhere, and you decide "oh, it's not really that bad," then yeah I blame you when you end up on your roof.
The folks who followed instructions and went to the Superdome are blameless. The folks who couldn't get to the Superdome but had the werewithal to get to the Convention Center are blameless. The folks who were too old, too weak, too sick, or had too many people under their care to evacuate are blameless.
Take all those people out of the equation, and you're probably down to just a few thousands of people whose predicament is just because of their own stupidity. And of those, a significant portion are just savage criminals who wanted to stay behind so they could prey on other victims.
Add to that thousands that were ed because payday was yesterday and many had no money at all. Remember, once you go into an evac center like the Superdome your stuck there. No inies and outsies.The folks who followed instructions and went to the Superdome are blameless. The folks who couldn't get to the Superdome but had the werewithal to get to the Convention Center are blameless. The folks who were too old, too weak, too sick, or had too many people under their care to evacuate are blameless.
Daily KosYup....the current head of the Federal Emergency Management Administration, who has proven utterly incompetent and unable to handle the Katrina disaster, was fired from his previous job for gross incompetence.
And that previous job was "Judges and Stewards Commissioner" for a show horse association!
Who judged this imbecile to be qualified for this important postion? And who authorized a lie about his qualifications on the official press release announcing his appointment?
"Yes, that's right... the man responsible for directing federal relief operations in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, sharpened his emergency management skills as the "Judges and Stewards Commissioner" for the International Arabian Horses Association... a position from which he was forced to resign in the face of mounting litigation and financial disarray."
There are 1000s of serious, competent, dedicated, experienced such as Allen below willing and able to help run the country, in contrast to the inexperience, incompentent, campaign-donor, political operatives/jokers that shrug/Repugs have spread around the govt for the last 5 yerars
The "MBA/CEO" President? GMAFB
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washingtonpost.com
Coast Guard's Chief of Staff To Assist FEMA Head Brown
By Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; A23
With Michael D. Brown, the embattled public face of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, taking harsh criticism for the slow federal response to Hurricane Katrina, the secretary of homeland security this week assigned a top Coast Guard official to help bail him out.
Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, the Coast Guard's chief of staff, was assigned on Monday to be Brown's deputy and to take over operational control of the search-and-rescue and recovery efforts along the Gulf Coast. The unprecedented task of coordinating the massive effort was handed off to a leader and expert who was described by colleagues as unflappable, engaging and intensely organized.
Allen is also familiar with the inner workings of the Department of Homeland Security, where the Coast Guard has landed alongside FEMA as one of the designated main protectors of the United States. Allen has been one of the primary shepherds of change at the Coast Guard since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and has been praised for his ability to reach out to other agencies to develop "big-picture" approaches to homeland defense.
Retired Adm. James M. Loy, former commandant of the Coast Guard and former deputy secretary of Homeland Security, said yesterday that Allen has the experience to help steer the federal response to the Katrina catastrophe in the right direction after early shortfalls. When Loy was the Coast Guard chief of staff from 1996 to 1998, Allen was his resource director, and Loy said he "always brings a new idea per minute to the table as far as how to grapple with difficult situations."
DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff handpicked Allen to essentially lead the federal recovery efforts in New Orleans. As Brown's deputy, Allen will work with Army Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honore -- head of the military's Joint Task Force Katrina -- to oversee, manage and lead all military and civilian recovery efforts.
Loy also praised Allen's experience, which ranges from being a sailor in the early part of his career to leading the Coast Guard's transition into the Department of Homeland Security. Allen also led the Coast Guard's maritime response to the Sept. 11 attacks, mobilizing his Atlantic forces to shut down major seaports and to control U.S. waters.
Since then, Allen has been working on transforming the Coast Guard's dominant missions of drug interdiction and migrant issues to protecting the borders from terrorism.
"If I was confronted with a multi-stakeholder nightmare, Thad Allen is the guy I would want to have put in charge of coming up with the solution that would keep the stakeholders engaged, participating and focused on the chore at hand," said Loy, who is now a senior counselor at the Cohen Group in Washington.
The task in Louisiana and Mississippi is in some ways uniquely suited for the Coast Guard, which is routinely involved in search-and-rescue, recovery, waterway recons ution and pollution cleanup efforts. The Coast Guard has rescued thousands of people stranded last week as a result of the hurricane and subsequent flooding.
Allen, 56, is a native of Tucson, and he graduated from the U.S. Coast Guard Academy in 1971. He later went on to earn a master's degree in Public Administration from George Washington University and a master of science degree from the Sloan School of Management at MIT.
After the Sept. 11 attacks, Allen provided the Coast Guard with an oral history of the day's events, discussing the decision to block the Potomac River and secure ports in New York and Boston. He spoke of the need to "keep cool" and "not get excited about everything," according to a transcript of the interview.
"I guess what I'm saying was I wasn't overcome by the magnitude of the event where it paralyzed or impacted my thinking," Allen said in the March 2002 interview. "I was treating it like I would a major catastrophe because we get involved in those over our career a lot. This was an order of magnitude that nobody could imagine. But nonetheless you get on task and you start working."
Adm. Thomas H. Collins, the Coast Guard's commandant, said yesterday that Allen will make a great deputy principal federal official, the official le of Brown's deputy.
"The Coast Guard is blessed with many talented personnel," Collins said in a statement. "Vice Admiral Allen is a tested leader and knows how to manage a crisis. We're glad we could send one of our best to help [Brown] manage the extraordinary challenges of this rescue and recovery effort."
Cmdr. Brendan McPherson, who was Allen's public affairs officer on 9/11 and is now at Coast Guard headquarters in Washington, said Allen is an extremely effective leader, especially in crisis situations.
"He has an amazing ability to quickly recognize a situation that needs leadership, that needs action, and then to develop a plan that can be quickly implemented," McPherson said, adding he was impressed with Allen during and after the terrorist attacks. "He quickly identified that, pulled in the resources that he needed, developed a plan, and then implemented a plan to secure the maritime borders."
Allen lives with his wife, Pamela, in Potomac, and they have three grown children and two grandchildren. The couple was away for the past week and returned to learn that Allen was going to be assigned to Louisiana. Their 30th wedding anniversary is in October, and Pamela Allen is not sure he will be home to celebrate.
"We've been sitting back wanting to help, and he was given the privilege of being able to help," said Pamela Allen, who is assistant dean for academic and career services at the George Mason University School of Management.
"He's been in the Coast Guard his entire life, and one of the things he does and does well is what the Coast Guard motto is, be always prepared. He takes every new event and gets down and starts working and sees it to its end."
© 2005 The Washington Post Company
Ah yes, the infamous Pat Robertson. Now if it had been Teddy Baby, the swimmer, or old shakey Byrd, the Grand Dragon, you know the man who carrys a copy of the cons ution in his pocket at all times. Or maybe Hillary, who made a 100,000 on the futures market, then it would be okay. But my-o-my not someone like Pat Robertson. Oh, I forgot Oprah, the great all feeling person, who had to make a personal inspection of the scene sho she would know how to help....... :throwupsp
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