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    I'm not terribly worried about Diaw. Obviously, his spectacular play last season was due, in large part, to the motivation he had from a contract year. Now that he's been rewarded with a fat new contract, he's been coasting like crazy. It doesn't help that his role in the rotation has been erratic.

    On the whole, I believe his coasting stems from his naturally laid-back personality. Once his role in the rotation is firmly established and the bright lights of the playoffs come on, he should play significantly better.
    i like this point. I think the Spurs are ing around with Diaws role just like they do their young. Diaw should be the general starter with Tim. I think the bench big pair should be generally be Tiago and Anderson. Save Baynes for Tim and Tiago down time, get Anderson hard at work as Diaw 2.0. Forget Ayers and Bonner. Green and Daye coulda been Andeson aint gettin it insurance. Bertans too.

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    I'm not terribly worried about Diaw. Obviously, his spectacular play last season was due, in large part, to the motivation he had from a contract year. Now that he's been rewarded with a fat new contract, he's been coasting like crazy. It doesn't help that his role in the rotation has been erratic.

    On the whole, I believe his coasting stems from his naturally laid-back personality. Once his role in the rotation is firmly established and the bright lights of the playoffs come on, he should play significantly better.


    Diaw issue is fatigue... dude had a long season last year, he played summer ball with France and is one the few players who did not miss a bunch of games this year. Tim, Danny, Boris, Manu are getting tired to carry the load while kawhi, TP, Mills, Tiago etc missed a bunch of games.

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    Diaw issue is fatigue... dude had a long season last year, he played summer ball with France and is one the few players who did not miss a bunch of games this year. Tim, Danny, Boris, Manu are getting tired to carry the load while kawhi, TP, Mills, Tiago etc missed a bunch of games.
    A lot of truth in this. If it were a typical Spurs year and we could risk throwing games, I suspect Boris would get a few games off. But the standings are so congested even ancient Timmy isn't getting many breaks.

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    The problem is jumpshots, plain and simple.

    Bonner is useless if he isn't hitting 3's at am elite rate, and his current 36% average certainly isn't that. Compare it to his near 44% average over the past 4 years and you see the problem.

    Diaw is having an even worse shooting season, hitting only 30% from 3. That drop (down from 40% last year) combined with him taking those shots more often (19% of his shots last year to 30% this year) is problematic.

    Timmy is having his worst mid range shooting season in nearly a decade, hitting only 35% between 16ft and the 3 point line. This is a worrying trend as he was 37% last year from 40%+ the previous 6 years. He's taking that shot at a far lower rate, accounting for only 11% of his shots whereas is had accounted for over a quarter of his shots the past 3 years.

    This Spurs team is based around pace and space, and none of the bigs are giving anyone space with reluctance to take or inability to make jumpshots. Combine that being 19th in the league in pace, mainly due to Parker being out, and you can see why we've struggled mightily on offence.
    Excellent take.

    Cogent, concise and insightful. Well done! A genuine contribution to a basketball discussion!

    Please post more. ( I'm dead serious - please don't imagine that my praise is sarcasm or anything - this was spot on, backed up with stats and from a great overview position. Some more posts like this from more folks would go far to offsetting the adolescent emotional outbursts that have come to characterize this forum of late.)

    Thank you.

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    Pop was really praising Baynes last night after the game, which is pretty unusual for Pop. He noted his athleticism, his willingness to go out on smaller players, and his general effort. Notably perhaps, he did NOT praise his rebounding or shot blocking, but I think the point is that Pop is seeing value.

    That is one of the best things about Pop, imo. He sees what a player CAN give, what he is best at, puts that player in position to do those things and thus contribute to the team' play in a positive way, and doesn't expect most players to be 'total players'. Because most aren't. Folks like Tim who are excellent at offense and defense (career-wise anyway) are exceedingly rare and are generally called superstars because they are so rare.

    Baynes has developed enormously since he arrived here. He may still have some upside. I don't think that upside is in the area of bball i.q., but I notice Tim spending more time with him coaching him, and that has to help.

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    The problem is jumpshots, plain and simple.

    Bonner is useless if he isn't hitting 3's at am elite rate, and his current 36% average certainly isn't that. Compare it to his near 44% average over the past 4 years and you see the problem.

    Diaw is having an even worse shooting season, hitting only 30% from 3. That drop (down from 40% last year) combined with him taking those shots more often (19% of his shots last year to 30% this year) is problematic.

    Timmy is having his worst mid range shooting season in nearly a decade, hitting only 35% between 16ft and the 3 point line. This is a worrying trend as he was 37% last year from 40%+ the previous 6 years. He's taking that shot at a far lower rate, accounting for only 11% of his shots whereas is had accounted for over a quarter of his shots the past 3 years.

    This Spurs team is based around pace and space, and none of the bigs are giving anyone space with reluctance to take or inability to make jumpshots. Combine that being 19th in the league in pace, mainly due to Parker being out, and you can see why we've struggled mightily on offence.
    good points. BUT the problem is not jumpshots. That is just a symptom.

    the real problem is we have no penetrating force. Parker used to be our main force, our wrecking ball per se and now that he is struggling, it affects our midrange/outside shooters.

    I'm afraid unless Parker starts improving, and greatly nothing will fix the problem. Sure, Manu, Belli and sometimes Kawhi are decent at going into the paing but truth is, without Parker, we have no true penetrating weapon in our team.

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    I do wonder if Bargnani is the team's eventual target. The dude looks good on paper (seems to be a fit on the bench next to Splitter/Diaw), but he's always been terrible in actual games. I could see the Spurs taking an Italian tour with Messina on board, though.

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    I do wonder if Bargnani is the team's eventual target. The dude looks good on paper (seems to be a fit on the bench next to Splitter/Diaw), but he's always been terrible in actual games. I could see the Spurs taking an Italian tour with Messina on board, though.
    I doubt it. You'd have to go back to '11 to find the last time he was a decent three-point shooter, which is his supposed strength. Outside of that, he's quite possibly the lowest IQ, lowest confidence, most passionless player I've ever seen, in addition to being the worst rebounding 7 footer ever. To top it all off, he basically hasn't played in over a year.

    I suspect he's done in the NBA. He'll probably have to make a team out of camp, something a guy who's accustomed to making $10-11M annually, who's still of prime age and who never seemed all that thrilled to be in the league at any point, probably won't want to do.

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    I do wonder if Bargnani is the team's eventual target. The dude looks good on paper (seems to be a fit on the bench next to Splitter/Diaw), but he's always been terrible in actual games. I could see the Spurs taking an Italian tour with Messina on board, though.

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