This is a moron who goes by jared15 currently on RealGM. He's had a few other user names as he keeps getting banned for his drivel. This guy claims he's in the Mensa society.
Here goes my comparation...
PG
Parker >> Tinsley
NVE = Saras
Beno = Johnson
SG
Manu > S-Jax
Barry > Fred Jones
SF
Bowen << Arterst
Finley > Bender
PF
Duncan > J. O'Neal
Horry >> Croshire
C
Nazr = Foster
Rasho > Pollard
Oberto >> Edwards
Coach
Pop >= Carlisle
15.4 - 6.4 - 4.0 - 2.0 - 32.5
16.6 - 6.1 - 3.7 - 1.2 - 34.2
Tinsley was better than Tony Parker in less minutes per game. That basically proves everything I said as true. I gave Parker the slight edge in scoring, as he's a one-trick-pony, but for overall games Tinsley is clearly a superior basketball player and a better point guard.
Here's a good analogy for you Spurs fan...
Tony Parker is to Jerry Stackhouse as Jamaal Tinsley is to Manu Ginobili.
Now who would you rather have, the one-dimensional shot chucker (Stakchouse/Parker) or the do-it-all team player (Manu/Tinsley)?
scoring stats dont show intangibles.
If you dont know intangibles, you dont know basketball.
Oh no, not the intangibles crap.:
*cough*cop-out*cough*
why because you say he is? using the word "clearly" implies fact when in actuality its an opinion.Tinsley is clearly a superior basketball player
Mensa??? This guy can't even spell, much less put coherent sentences together.
And "NBA expert"? Please.
And by the way...if Artest and/or Stephen Jackson get through the whole season without going psycho at least once, I'll eat my hat. And as the Pacers proved last year, they aren't going anywhere without them.
Hey jared15 bag how about putting up Parker's and Tinsley's head to head numbers over the last two years.
dude...if you think intangibles don't matter...you are not the expert you claim to be.Oh no, not the intangibles crap. :
*cough*cop-out*cough*
Ok, I'm reading all of your replies, and I have a few more comments.
Someone mentioned Bruce Bowen starting over Finley. I knew this was the case, however Bruce Bowen is such a bad basketball player, I didn't wanna waste my time with a "Stephen Jackson vs Bruce Bowen" analysis. So I went with Finley, who was a very good player 5 years ago, which is far more than anyone can say about Bruce Bowen. And if Finley has declined to the point where he can't start over perhaps the NBA's least talented starter in the NBA, then he's far worse than evem I could ever imagine.
And Tinsley is clearly the more well-rounded basketball player. Stats aren't the whole story, but they are a large chunk of it. And not even the stats can show you how superior Tinsley's overall game is to Parkers.
And my issue witht he Spurs bench is legit. They're old. Very, very old. That's the thing with NBA players, you just never know how age effects them. Brent Barry's game dropped like a bad habit, whereas the 75 year old Robert Horry is still a fairly respectable backup. The bad news for Spurs fans is, it appears Finley and Van Exel aren't aging gracefully, as they were both pretty bad last season.
And why the hate for Stephen Jackson? This guy was the #1 clutch shooter on your 2002 championship team. If it weren't for his clutch shooting, Manu, Duncan, and Parker were on their way to choking you guys to a 2nd round exit vs the Lakers. And by the way, wasn't it Stephen Jackson starting over Manu that year? Hmm....how very interesting.
so then you think the Spurs have no chance.
I quit reading right there. How in the is he a bad basketball player? Do you even watch him play? He shuts people down for us. Thats how we win a lot of times. He scores threes. They usually come at good times, too.
Just 'cause we got Finley we starting to get all these re ed trolls in here!!!!
Bull .I knew this was the case
You punked yourself, now live with it.
I didn't say they didn't matter. I was implying that the whole "My guy has better intangibles than you guy!" notion was nothing more than a cop-out. Especially when you consider the fact that intangibles are, by definition, incapable of being defined.
in·tan·gi·ble Audio pronunciation of "intangibles" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-tnj-bl)
adj.
1. Incapable of being perceived by the senses.
2. Incapable of being realized or defined.
3. Incorporeal.
jared15 why don't you take your thoughts over here.
But Parker isn't a one-dimensional shot chucker. Sometimes I think Indy fans engage in this discussion in an attempt to justify the selection of Tinsley over Parker. It's never particuarly convincing.
What's interesting about the numbers is the fact that none of them account for the styles that the two teams play. Parker's assist numbers are generally not as good as other PG, largely because Parker isn't asked to be a pure distributor, the way a guy like Tinsley is. The Spurs offense is predicated on Duncan's presence drawing double-teams to create space for shooters. They also create space with penetration from both Parker and Ginobili and by running high screen-and-roll plays involving Duncan with either Parker or Ginobili. That means that the Spurs' assist opportunities don't come from the point guard, per se. The assist opportunities, essentially, are distributed throughout the lineup. It takes advantage of the skills of the players who are here, rather than forcing them to play some regimented, PG gathers assists system. Parker will never look great compared to other PG based on assist numbers.
The same is true with steals and rebounds. Parker's steals and rebounds numbers aren't as good as Tinsley's, but that doesn't make him an inferior defender. It could just as easily say that he takes fewer chances and that his team gives up fewer long rebounds (since the Spurs lead the league, by a wide margin, in 3PTA against last season). Parker has become a better and better defender each year in the league. Is he as good as Payton in his heyday? No. But when the Spurs needed a stop at the end of Game 5 of the Finals, Parker defended Rip Hamilton as well as anyone in the league could and forced a horrendous shot without fouling. Which is a better gauge of defensive prowess: coming up with steals because you take chances and break down your own defense or playing within a system and forcing bad shots? I'd take the guy who forces bad shots every day.
Parker's numbers, standing alone, might not overwhelm you, but there's a reason most coaches and GMs in the NBA agree that Parker's overall game makes him one of the top 10 points in the association.
Look, your team is so superior it should have rolled through the playoffs undefeated last year even without Artest in a straight jacket.
Please explain how you lost without that lame excuse.
Bowen's a bad basketball player because his overall game is atrocious. The guy's a lousy offensive player, a lousy rebounder, and a lousy passer. And even his defense is questionable, not only by me, but by many NBA players who claim he's a very dirty player.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3167
Check ouit Bowen's Yahoo profile. On the right side of the screen they list his scoring, rebounding, and assist numbers vs the average small forward and the league leader. Bowen is well below average in scoring, rebounding, and is right at average in assists. And this is in 32 minutes per game. The NBA average minutes per game is 16 (240/15).
Because numbers are the sole measure of a player's effectiveness? Maybe Pop needs to concoct some Carlisle-esque bogus defensive stats and then you'll show the dude the respect he deserves.Bowen's a bad basketball player because his overall game is atrocious. The guy's a lousy offensive player, a lousy rebounder, and a lousy passer. And even his defense is questionable, not only by me, but by many NBA players who claim he's a very dirty player.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3167
Check ouit Bowen's Yahoo profile. On the right side of the screen they list his scoring, rebounding, and assist numbers vs the average small forward and the league leader. Bowen is well below average in scoring, rebounding, and is right at average in assists. And this is in 32 minutes per game. The NBA average minutes per game is 16 (240/15).
Oh wait, I forgot, Pop doesn't do that juvenile crap.
Wow, that's the worst analogy I've ever seen. You've got the order and positions all wrong.Here's a good analogy for you Spurs fan...
Tony Parker is to Jerry Stackhouse as Jamaal Tinsley is to Manu Ginobili.
Props to your entertainment value.
Bowen shut down Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, and Hamilton one after another iin the playoffs. No Bowen no championship for us.
Keep thinking he's a bad player we could care less, but stop repeating it here troll
Hey Artest shut down an entire team by himself.
Too bad it was the Pacers.
eh, I was going to refute some of these claims, but the thought that tinsley is better then parker is rediculous. Next time bring some head to head stats to back up your argument.
Also look at who tinsley plays for most of the season, the leastern conference.
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