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Several different companies? Or are there other ones that turnkey that have over 86 years experience? I honestly have no idea.
BTW, was the VP really CEO since 1919?
cant name names but i would guess every other one on the earth
Several different companies? Or are there other ones that turnkey that have over 86 years experience? I honestly have no idea.
BTW, was the VP really CEO since 1919?
I can honestly understand how many raise eyebrows about Haliburton, and I know there's buddies making a lot of money....but #1. you guys act like Halliburton is some fly-by-night, obscure, incompetent organization that would never have gotten the job had Cheney not been CEO at one time; and #2. bidding out contracts on jobs of that magnitude take an ungodly amount of time....how long are people willing to wait before anything gets done?
Without googling, the only one I can think of is Bechtel.
The work Halliburton is going to do for the Navy will be done by KBR, which is the old Kellog corporation (engineering if I remember right) and Brown and Root (construction) that Halliburton acquired a while back. I would imagine that Bechtel (in some form of joint venture) would have competed for the CONCAP contract, as well as folks like Fluor Daniel and others I can't think of right at this moment.
Wasn't the CONCAP contract let, to Halliburton, under President Clinton and only renewed by the current administration?
Maybe Random Guy will google that for us.
Dan's article (from whatever sounce it is) states that the CONCAP was awarded to KBR in 2001. I don't remember the exact history of Kellog and Brown and Root as to when they were acquired by Halliburton, but it is possible that they held the CONCAP contract (or something similar to it) for the Navy prior to 2001.
Form Global Security.org
Since January 2002, Halliburton's Kellogg, Brown & Root unit has performed more than $50 million in construction projects at Guantanamo Bay. The work is performed under a Pentagon contract for emergency construction work worldwide known as ConCap, short for Contingency Construction Capabilities Contract.
The contract was devised in the mid-1990s so that military units could quickly obtain construction and engineering services in response to natural disasters, military operations, humanitarian emergencies, and other crises. At the time a ConCap contract is awarded, it is not known precisely what work a company will be required to perform.
The first such contract went to Perini International of Framingham, Mass., and J.A. Jones Management Services of Charlotte, N.C., in 1995. The second, ConCap II, was awarded to KBR in 2001. With payments under that contract close to reaching its $300 million ceiling, a third ConCap contract, this one with a ceiling of $500 million, was given to KBR in July.
The Pentagon agency in charge of the ConCap contract would not disclose how many other companies were considered for the new contract. According to news reports, three firms, including KBR, were considered for ConCap II.
Okay, I've employed my Random Guy skill of googling and come up with this...Don't worry RG, as time permits, I will verify the assertions of fact contained in the following:
Let's call this "The Truth About Halliburton: a compilation"
The Logistical Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP) was created by the U.S. Army. It is a program that uses a compe ive bidding process to award a contract to a company that will, under the terms of the contract, be "on call" to provide whatever services the U.S. Army might need...right then; as in, when the phone rings. Some brilliant thinkers in the Army came to the conclusion that it might not be such a swell idea to screw around with compe ive bidding processes for logistical and recovery operations during an ongoing or severe time of need.
Halliburton won the compe ive bidding process for LOGCAP in 1992, during the George H. W. Bush administration. In 1997, during the William Jefferson Blythe Clinton administration, Halliburton's wholly owned subsidiary Brown & Root was awarded a no-bid contract in the Balkans -- after the LOGCAP contract had expired in May of that year. It wasn't re-bid until 2001, under the George W. Bush administration and, lo and behold, Halliburton won the bid.
So, just to recap, Halliburton wins a compe ive bidding process under the first President Bush; then, Halliburton's contract is extended without having to bid, by President Clinton; finally, Halliburton wins a compe ive bidding process under the second President Bush and, somehow, Clinton escapes the excoriation by the Left.
That's pretty amazing. So, Did President Clinton go into the Balkans to enrich Halliburton? Using Nbadan logic, the answer would have to be an emphatic "Yes!"
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Obviously a company from a thrid world country would have done a better job.
Good history of LOGCAP here: http://www.amc.army.mil/amc/ho/pdf/H...er_LOGCAP3.pdf
And, a good explanation of CONCAP here: http://www.house.gov/hasc/openingsta...06-24young.pdf
Then, there's this on LOGCAP, CONCAP, and AFCAP.
http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/JanFeb03/MS870.htm
Sounds crazy doesn't it? But then again many former Clintonistas had plenty of money in the Carlyle Group during 911, along with the Bin Ladens. A sad fact Michael Moore forgot to cover in his movie.That's pretty amazing. So, Did President Clinton go into the Balkans to enrich Halliburton? Using Nbadan logic, the answer would have to be an emphatic "Yes!"
Does it matter who rebuilds as long as the job gets done?
Well obviously Haliburtain should never be allow to another job again!!!
It is absurd that the largest oilfield services and general construction company in the world should have anything to do with rebuilding New Orleans.
They should get Joe Blow's Handyman Service & Vinyl Siding to do it.
Well, yeah! I mean after all, Hurricanes blow...Joe Blow...okay, I'm waiting...make the connection folks.
Disaster Capitalism in New Orleans
The cost (or here) of cleaning up the results of Bush's negligence in failing to deal with global warming and spending money needed for New Orleans levees on his war in Iraq may be as much as the $300 billion spent in four years to fight the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Of course, what most people would regard as a cost, the entrepreneurial politicians in the Bush White House see as yet another opportunity to transfer money from taxpayers to their personal friends. The scheme is blatantly obvious:
* Bush has started to issue Iraq-style no-bid contracts, with cost-plus provisions that guarantee contractors a certain profit regardless of how much they spend.
* Old buddies like Halliburton, Bechtel, and Fluor are first in line. Joe Allbaugh, the former director of FEMA, is lobbying for Halliburton, and another winner of the Katrina windfall, Shaw Group Inc.
* In order to increase profitability at the expense of the working people most affected by the hurricane and thus most in need of money, Bush has removed (or here) federal minimum-wage provisions from the reconstruction contracts.
The concept of 'disaster capitalism', a term coined by Naomi Klein, is now being applied to the United States itself. Klein wrote:
"Last summer, in the lull of the August media doze, the Bush Administration's doctrine of preventive war took a major leap forward. On August 5, 2004, the White House created the Office of the Coordinator for Reconstruction and Stabilization, headed by former US Ambassador to Ukraine Carlos Pascual. Its mandate is to draw up elaborate 'post-conflict' plans for up to twenty-five countries that are not, as of yet, in conflict. According to Pascual, it will also be able to coordinate three full-scale reconstruction operations in different countries 'at the same time,' each lasting 'five to seven years.'
and (my emphasis in bold; note that Halliburton had a 'pre-completed' contract for New Orleans):
"Gone are the days of waiting for wars to break out and then drawing up ad hoc plans to pick up the pieces. In close cooperation with the National Intelligence Council, Pascual's office keeps 'high risk' countries on a 'watch list' and assembles rapid-response teams ready to engage in prewar planning and to 'mobilize and deploy quickly' after a conflict has gone down. The teams are made up of private companies, nongovernmental organizations and members of think tanks - some, Pascual told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in October, will have 'pre-completed' contracts to rebuild countries that are not yet broken. Doing this paperwork in advance could 'cut off three to six months in your response time.'"
and (my emphasis in bold):
"But if the reconstruction industry is stunningly inept at rebuilding, that may be because rebuilding is not its primary purpose. According to Guttal, 'It's not reconstruction at all - it's about reshaping everything.' If anything, the stories of corruption and incompetence serve to mask this deeper scandal: the rise of a predatory form of disaster capitalism that uses the desperation and fear created by catastrophe to engage in radical social and economic engineering. And on this front, the reconstruction industry works so quickly and efficiently that the privatizations and land grabs are usually locked in before the local population knows what hit them. Kumara, in another e-mail, warns that Sri Lanka is now facing 'a second tsunami of corporate globalization and militarization,' potentially even more devastating than the first. 'We see this as a plan of action amidst the tsunami crisis to hand over the sea and the coast to foreign corporations and tourism, with military assistance from the US Marines.'"
and(my emphasis in bold):
"A group calling itself Thailand Tsunami Survivors and Supporters says that for 'businessmen-politicians, the tsunami was the answer to their prayers, since it literally wiped these coastal areas clean of the communities which had previously stood in the way of their plans for resorts, hotels, casinos and shrimp farms. To them, all these coastal areas are now open land!'"
Just like New Orleans! If the Bush Administration has elaborate pre-made plans to make money off conflicts which have yet to occur in other countries, why would they not also have elaborate pre-made plans to make money off natural disasters that occur within the United States? A book of plans for New Orleans, a book of plans for Florida, a book of plans for San Francisco . . the money to be made is enormous! The implications of FEMA's 'incompetence' and Bush's inexplicable failure to do anything about the plight of New Orleans until it was too late become rather obvious. Competence just leads to fewer chances to make money. All of the reconstruction contracts can be directed to friends of the Bush Administration, and no one will complain about the extremely generous payments. At the same time, 'undesirable' populations - blacks in New Orleans, gays in San Francisco - can be cleaned up, thus ensuring that the area will vote Republican in the future.
Xymphora
First off, what would not have spending the money for the war on Iraq done for the environment Dan? Show me proof the money spent in Iraq would have been spent on the environment. Show me proof that this money would have been spent on making New Orleans safer from a hurricane, and tell me how it would have prevented Katrina?The cost (or here) of cleaning up the results of Bush's negligence in failing to deal with global warming and spending money needed for New Orleans levees on his war in Iraq
And exactly how would money help out with the global warming issue? NO AMOUNT of money will even put a dent in global wamring. Show me some proof of these statements that you keep spouting off.
This is just di able thinking. You totally pull this crap out of your ass and then come here shoveling it all over the rest of us. I can't believe you would even begin to try and make connections to genocide like this. You are completely nuts.Just like New Orleans! If the Bush Administration has elaborate pre-made plans to make money off conflicts which have yet to occur in other countries, why would they not also have elaborate pre-made plans to make money off natural disasters that occur within the United States? A book of plans for New Orleans, a book of plans for Florida, a book of plans for San Francisco . . the money to be made is enormous! The implications of FEMA's 'incompetence' and Bush's inexplicable failure to do anything about the plight of New Orleans until it was too late become rather obvious. Competence just leads to fewer chances to make money. All of the reconstruction contracts can be directed to friends of the Bush Administration, and no one will complain about the extremely generous payments. At the same time, 'undesirable' populations - blacks in New Orleans, gays in San Francisco - can be cleaned up, thus ensuring that the area will vote Republican in the future.
Haliburton has been supporting the US Govt for 65 years through many Presidents Democratic and Republican alike...they have been used as a political attack point before...only the last time it was the Republicans attacking the Democrats for their affiliation with them.
But the bottom line is that Haliburton has had a strategy of specializing or aquiring other companies that specialize in fields of interest to the US Govt.
Haliburton themselves started supplying the US Military with weapons parts in WWII...
They later went on to aquire the company that specialized in building US military bases.
They aquired the company that built the Space Center in Houston.
So what you have now is a conglomerate with a unique field of expertise tailored totally to suit the needs of the US Govt and Military...
There is no other company in the entire world whose businees is Oil Project engineering, Civil Engineering, Logistical Support for the US Military, Infrastructure construction and Military Base building...
If there is another one you can think of...then go ahead and throw their name out there...otherwise give them credit for having a business strategy to attract the $$$ of the wealthies en y in World History...
They are War Profiteers and many of the things people accuse them of being...but they have been this loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong before Bush was in the Whitehouse..they were that long before Cheney worked for them...IF you want to demonize Cheney for doing a good job for them when it was his job to do so...then go ahead...but just realize what the longterm financial strategy of this company was.
Oh...and they employ a lot of Louisianians as well...and built most of the industrial refineries and infrastructure of NO in the first place....because they also are the civillian brother of the ACOE...in fact it wouldn't surprise me of Haliburton played a role in designing and building NO's pump and levee system.
...they built Mansfield Damn too...evil corrupt bas s...they should have let Mookie, CBF, Michael Moore, and Nbandan build it...Damn W is evil for letting them build Mansfield Damn....we should hire a French Company instead.
Here's where I THANK GOD I bought alot of shares in the last quarter of 2002!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO I am not a "hal" employee.I am a HAL owner! YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!! Currently tripled my $$$!
whottt youve got to emancipate yourself from mental slavery.
you LIKE, defend and build up a huge CORPORATION over and over? a corporation, big business
why?
because "libs" dare to ask if there is something more to them and these contracts they get over and over, like you said "profiting" from our worst of days, making record PROFITS
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