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    Thought this was a boutons thread tbh

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    Where would we be without your constant slurping?

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    I mean, if both parties of Congress pull all this stalling bull on nominations, of course the executive branch is going to try new to get around it. You can't cry foul after ruining the system in the first place.

    Just vote on the nominees.

    Simple.
    Thats a fair point. But doesn't make Obama's actions any less uncons utional. More of a reason why the system as a whole is broke

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    Thats a fair point. But doesn't make Obama's actions any less uncons utional. More of a reason why the system as a whole is broke
    So all Congress needs to do is what it is supposed to do according to -- THE CONS UTION.

    Wow.

    In that case, Congress failed -- not the do ent.

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    Sweet, so you agree your original spin on the article was incorrect.
    Nope. Still a terrible example.

    You have a funny interpretation of things working perfectly when you're using a 9-0 court decision holding that the president is overstepping his cons utional authority.
    How is that not working perfectly?

    Explain.

    It's perfect because the checks and balances built into the Cons ution worked. Just like it did in other instances with Republican and Democratic presidents who acted beyond his Cons utional powers.
    Was the cons ution working perfectly with Obama's executive order on immigration too?
    That has yet to be determined. He might actually have authority in his actions.

    I'm fine with letting the Cons ution determine that.

    What are you asking for?

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    So all Congress needs to do is what it is supposed to do according to -- THE CONS UTION.

    Wow.

    In that case, Congress failed -- not the do ent.
    yeah not sure why the author used the le he chose. The Cons ution works well when it's not trampled and ignored.

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    slurping will get you further in life than your thoughts on the Cons ution

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    yeah not sure why the author used the le he chose. The Cons ution works well when it's not trampled and ignored.
    Actually the cons ution appears to work just fine even when one branch is overstepping its authority.

    ty article tbh

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    yeah not sure why the author used the le he chose. The Cons ution works well when it's not trampled and ignored.
    The Cons ution works well when members of Congress do their jobs.

    The thing is a decent number of Republicans are actually fine with Obama's plans on immigration and health care, but can't let on because their continued employment relies on never cooperating with the evil Muslim in the White House.

    It's their problem. They can take back their authority at any time.

    Cons utionally.

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    Actually the cons ution appears to work just fine even when one branch is overstepping its authority.

    ty article tbh
    ty take tbh. The Cons ution is ignored.

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    The Cons ution works well when members of Congress do their jobs.

    The thing is a decent number of Republicans are actually fine with Obama's plans on immigration and health care, but can't let on because their continued employment relies on never cooperating with the evil Muslim in the White House.

    It's their problem. They can take back their authority at any time.

    Cons utionally.
    You and OP in step lol.

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    ty take tbh. The Cons ution is ignored.
    And when it's ignored, the separation of powers checks and balances seems to be working as designed. It was a dumb article with irrelevant examples. I know it appealed to your emotions, but it really was a stupid article.

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    I read the article on redstate a couple of days ago. I think he's misguided. His argument would basically apply to any time in history really, as veto-proof majority was always there.

    What he's overlooking is the fact that we've had Congress much more willing to compromise and legislate and partisanship/polarization wasn't at an all time high like it is now. Under those cir stances, getting a veto-proof majority (if it's even needed), was much simpler.

    The problem, I think, is that "compromise" has become some sort of maligned word, especially by those that firmly believe we're dealing in moral stands rather than politics.

    In a way, that intransigent position is actually getting them away from power (and disillusioned, obviously), IMO.

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    You and OP in step lol.
    Except the Cons ution hasn't failed lol.

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    The Cons ution hasn't failed. The electorate and the s bags they vote into office every election are the real failures.

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    All I needed to see was the le to know that article was ty. We were doomed when we decided we were a democracy instead of a republic.

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    All I needed to see was the le to know that article was ty. We were doomed when we decided we were a democracy instead of a republic.
    When did that happen?

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    Except the Cons ution hasn't failed lol.
    We've already covered that. You could have written the second paragraph.

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    When did that happen?
    When we started allowing our elected officials to erode the system of checks and balances as described in the OP, and when policy debates started to solely center around popularity and ideology rather than cons utionality.

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    I thought this was your writing in the post until I got to the link at the bottom. I can believe that made it through somebody's editing process (or maybe it didn't).

    All those conclusions and the best and only empirical evidence provided was Harry Reid. Yeah, the Harry Reid's of the world are really destroying America.

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    We've already covered that. You could have written the second paragraph.
    We didn't cover that. I don't think the framers made an error. OP does.

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    The Cons ution works well when members of Congress do their jobs.

    The thing is a decent number of Republicans are actually fine with Obama's plans on immigration and health care, but can't let on because their continued employment relies on never cooperating with the evil Muslim in the White House.

    It's their problem. They can take back their authority at any time.

    Cons utionally.
    One has to wonder what the sane wing of the GOP makes of the increasingly large insane wing.

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    "the sane wing of the GOP"

    most have been primaried out of politics, the remainder shuts up and votes with insane Kockensteins to protect their seats.

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    doesn't make Obama's actions any less uncons utional
    Which of Obama's actions are uncons utional?

    Or, have you been listening to Repugs and Fox slanders?

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