Tiago's post game

[rmt]

Splitter is in the 94th percentile in terms of post-up offense...pretty damn impressive. All of the guys ahead of him have fewer post-up possessions, too.

I'm fine with Duncan posting up as long as it's a mismatch. I can't stand seeing him isolate against guys like Dwight, DeAndre Jordan, Ibaka (yes, I know what happened in OT of Game 6...that's not normal), etc.

Well, who do you want them to go to with Parker out? And it worked, didn't it? Iirc, that's when they got a little separation. I'm hoping that he's just pacing himself recently - keeping some in the tank for the playoffs. He had to do a lot of heavy lifting early in the season because of injuries. We see flashes of the beautiful ball movement. Hopefully they'll start to shoot better and be more consistent.

[lefty]

Better than Enrique in the post

[cd021]

Splitter is in the 94th percentile in terms of post-up offense...pretty damn impressive. All of the guys ahead of him have fewer post-up possessions, too.

I'm fine with Duncan posting up as long as it's a mismatch. I can't stand seeing him isolate against guys like Dwight, DeAndre Jordan, Ibaka (yes, I know what happened in OT of Game 6...that's not normal), etc.

Ironically Duncan seems to do well against Ibaka and especially Jordan. I remember Reggie Miller (I think) mentioning that he didn't think Brooks wanted Ibaka to guard Duncan.That maybe be because Duncans finishing ability at the rim and Ibaka would have to help off of him to contest shots or because he was worried that Duncan could score in the low post against him.

Duncan has done a great job against Jordan, I think he went 9-12 in the last meeting. Jordons a bit too aggressive and Duncan uses a lot of pump fakes and up and unders to get him off balance.

[BillMc]

Spurs Post Up Stats:

Splitter- 1.7 (Post Ups Per Game)-1.01 PPS-1.8 Points Per Game-.567 FG %

Diaw -2.37 (Post Ups Per Game)-.85 PPS- 2.1 Points Per Game-.500 FG %

Duncan-4.2 (Post Ups Per Game) .79 PPS-3.3 Points Per Game-.393 FG %

Leonard-2.2 (Post Ups Per Game)-.82 PPS -2.2 Points Per Game-.423 FG %

I knew Timmy had declined but didn't think it was that serious a drop.

[minuzzo21]

Tiago and Diaw has been much more aggressive offensively, and this is a very good new, I hope they continue in this way

[AFBlue]

Tiago has always been very solid fundamentally with his post moves. He has great footwork and is smart enough to get himself a good look at the rim. But, he's never going to be an elite finisher with the weak hook and flip shots that he has. There's just not enough consistency with release.

I do like his aggressiveness though.

[AFBlue]

Also, not hating on Splitter...even if he's never a "go-to" player in the post, he's still elite in the pick-and-roll game and a solid defender.

[pgardn]

he is a better option than td in the post.

Holy ...

Why, because Duncan occassionally gets doubled?
Dont answer that, sorry. You are so lost Gilligan...

Tiago's footwork and shot are much better, but his forte is still breaking to the basket and finding open seems, not posting up.

[pgardn]

He's been a better option than Tim in the post since like 2012.

Again, holy ...

Tim can get to the post in an offenive position and create the danger to begin with. Totally overlook what it takes to be able to post up. And Tim will absolutely punish mismatches. Did anyone watch the playoffs against Miami when they tried smaller men?

[apalisoc_9]

these mainstream fans just can't seem to accept that there's a better post option than TD..

There's a reason why Pop calls more Kawhi posts and Also diaw post ups in a game despite the fact that diaw plays less minutes.

But but game 6...

[testies]

Tiago has better reverse layups than any guard in the game. Unblockable.

[DrSteffo]

If you only care for dunks you should switch team tbh. Tiago is smart and plays to his strengths.

[pgardn]

these mainstream fans just can't seem to accept that there's a better post option than TD..

There's a reason why Pop calls more Kawhi posts and Also diaw post ups in a game despite the fact that diaw plays less minutes.

But but game 6...

No there is not. Duncan plays down low, gets position better, catches better, than any post we have.
So you want KL low blocking to foul line all game like Dunan Einstein? Really? Diaw too, all game?
You don't understand this game, you really dont, and you claim to have played... B Fkn S.

[apalisoc_9]

No there is not. Duncan plays down low, gets position better, catches better, than any post we have.
So you want KL low blocking to foul line all game like Dunan Einstein? Really? Diaw too, all game?
You don't understand this game, you really dont, and you claim to have played... B Fkn S.

you sound fat, IMO.

Kawhi, Tiago, Diaw in the post > TD.

[Perry Mason]

There is more to player analysis than a blended percentage. That provides some meaningful information as to a player's season-long consistency. But when you are evaluating a 38 year old former best player in the league, you account for context.

And in this instance, this player cannot bring the night in, night out consistency because banging down low is hard on your body. But he never lost his elite-level positioning, flipping, boxing out, and footwork. So when you really need the buckets in the playoffs, he sacrifices his body and can reach his old level for a game, or even just a quarter.

And when it happens, it can mean a championship. Without Game 6 OKC last year, who knows what happens. And it isn't the only example in the last 2 years of when "inefficient" TD postups suddenly became the best and most successful option against the toughest opponents.

There is a recurring mistake on this board where some are treating advanced statistics like the final word on a player, without understanding context or the mathematics that go into those formulas. They conflate blended averages of regular season performance with spot-level talent needed in a single game. Basketball is a game of roles when played at the highest level. And wily veterans who can resdiscover their strength and moves for a game or a quarter can mean the difference between a first round exit and a championship.

[Malik Hairston]

There is more to player analysis than a blended percentage. That provides some meaningful information as to a player's season-long consistency. But when you are evaluating a 38 year old former best player in the league, you account for context.

And in this instance, this player cannot bring the night in, night out consistency because banging down low is hard on your body. But he never lost his elite-level positioning, flipping, boxing out, and footwork. So when you really need the buckets in the playoffs, he sacrifices his body and can reach his old level for a game, or even just a quarter.

And when it happens, it can mean a championship. Without Game 6 OKC last year, who knows what happens. And it isn't the only example in the last 2 years of when "inefficient" TD postups suddenly became the best and most successful option against the toughest opponents.

There is a recurring mistake on this board where some are treating advanced statistics like the final word on a player, without understanding context or the mathematics that go into those formulas. They conflate blended averages of regular season performance with spot-level talent needed in a single game. Basketball is a game of roles when played at the highest level. And wily veterans who can resdiscover their strength and moves for a game or a quarter can mean the difference between a first round exit and a championship.

this is one of the stupidest things I have ever read, tbh

[Malik Hairston]

Duncan's positioning is still elite, it's his best offensive attribute nowadays..he seals his defender very well, and positions himself to receive the entry pass over or around the defender better than anybody in the league..

However, his 1 on 1 post game is absolutely awful, and you don't need the stats to tell you that..he doesn't get any leverage, he is no longer able to back his man down since the weight loss, he doesn't use much versatility in his post moves, and he usually tries too hard to draw fouls IMO..

Not sure why people keep pointing to the OKC game 6..it was awesome to see TD(my favorite player of all-time) step up and take over in the key stretches of the game, but only 1 of those 3 possessions resulted in a nice post move to beat a defender of similar size..the 2nd possession was a desperation foul call against Ibaka, and the final shot was a post-up against 6-foot 1 Reggie Jackson(still impressive that he didn't allow Westbrook to steal the ball and/or block his shot, though)..

Tim is still a great player and one of the best bigs in the league, he's by far the 2nd best player on this team, but his post game is pretty awful..it has been the case for at least 3 years, too..

[jag]

There is more to player analysis than a blended percentage. That provides some meaningful information as to a player's season-long consistency. But when you are evaluating a 38 year old former best player in the league, you account for context.

And in this instance, this player cannot bring the night in, night out consistency because banging down low is hard on your body. But he never lost his elite-level positioning, flipping, boxing out, and footwork. So when you really need the buckets in the playoffs, he sacrifices his body and can reach his old level for a game, or even just a quarter.

And when it happens, it can mean a championship. Without Game 6 OKC last year, who knows what happens. And it isn't the only example in the last 2 years of when "inefficient" TD postups suddenly became the best and most successful option against the toughest opponents.

There is a recurring mistake on this board where some are treating advanced statistics like the final word on a player, without understanding context or the mathematics that go into those formulas. They conflate blended averages of regular season performance with spot-level talent needed in a single game. Basketball is a game of roles when played at the highest level. And wily veterans who can resdiscover their strength and moves for a game or a quarter can mean the difference between a first round exit and a championship.

What the are you talking about?

Yes, Duncan has good games in the post, when the matchup is favorable and he works his ass off. But he has not been the best post player on the team for 2, maybe 3 years now. And against common defensive matchups, he has scored with less efficiency than Splitter. You use the sample size of a 1 game success as the basis for your "context" argument, while completely ignoring his poor performances in post-up situations during the last few playoff runs. Duncan is very smart with his footwork and positioning, and it's not surprising that he abused Ibaka (a dumb player and poor 1on1 post defender) in the post.

This isn't so much about effort as it is about matchups. Post-up success is very much matchup-based for both Duncan and Splitter. The difference is that at this point in his career, Duncan has a much smaller list of favorable matchups than Splitter.

[wildbill2u]

In the past few games Tiago has been more aggressive and more successful in the post than I've ever seen him. Has he done some serious work on his moves, or is he just feeling more confident than ever?

The thing that drives me crazy about Splitter on offense is the way he will avoid a straight to the basket layup or slam (which seems like a sure thing) in favor of a reverse layup. Having to take that extra step or two sometimes results in recovery by the defense coming down or from the offside. He often gets into trouble with a block or tie-up that seems so pointless.

[hitmanyr2k]

Diaw is definitely San Antonio's best post player these days and it's not even close. Duncan and Splitter both tend to throw up off-balanced weak that look more like prayers than actual shots, especially Duncan. Diaw has the patience to use his footwork and multiple pivots to gather himself for a good shot and his touch around the rim is far better than Duncan or Splitter's.

[TDfan2007]

Timmy hasn't been an elite post player since 2010. His weight loss removed his ability to back down effectively, and his deteriorating left knee pretty much eliminated his jump hook.

There are nights when his knee feels good, and he uses variety in his moves instead of that awkward one-handed handed fallaway, but those are few and far between now.

[TDfan2007]

The best post player on this team is Diaw...and it's not even close.

[TDfan2007]

Diaw is definitely San Antonio's best post player these days and it's not even close. Duncan and Splitter both tend to throw up off-balanced weak that look more like prayers than actual shots, especially Duncan. Diaw has the patience to use his footwork and multiple pivots to gather himself for a good shot and his touch around the rim is far better than Duncan or Splitter's.

This.

[apalisoc_9]

Timmy hasn't been an elite post player since 2010. His weight loss removed his ability to back down effectively, and his deteriorating left knee pretty much eliminated his jump hook.

There are nights when his knee feels good, and he uses variety in his moves instead of that awkward one-handed handed fallaway, but those are few and far between now.

You don't know basketball..

[le13]

You don't know basketball..

Looooooool you ing do?????