i am completely fascinated with the fact that he inspired an entire nation to fight against the oppression, a true david vs goliath story albeit with a sad ending. a medium sized country of 80 million people had no business even lasting a week against the 4 biggest world powers, much less fighting them for 6 years and occupying most of europe. that goes to show you that they had a lot of support outside of the reich. i forget the exact numbers, but it takes something like an army 10% of the size of the population they are occupying in order to secure it properly. which germany obviously didn't have, but they had the support of the local people so it didn't matter. they try to spin it as germany trying to take over the world, but in reality they had the support of italy, spain, the baltics, ukraine, and the scandinavian countries basically all of europe except the UK and the french govt that got overthrown, the french people however under vichy france supported them wholeheartedly.
aside from that, i think that the economic miracle was amazing and i am in awe of how happy and peaceful germany was in those years before the war. if i gave the impression that i only care about the military aspect of nazi germany then that was never my intention.
Predictable immigrant response from ty alt.
If they had the support of the Scandinavian countries, why did they kill all those Norwegians and Danes when they invaded those countries?
Just saying that there's a line between interest and being one of the stormfront members.
so beautiful...sigh
Quitters
The german dark ages started with the nazis. They Burned books, brainwashed the population, made the Frankfurt School notables (most of them were jews)ran off the country, as most of the german intelectuals..
Please, and it wasn't like America wasn't fighting with 18+YO as well. America just beat them fair and square. And no, America would not have gotten beaten by Germany. You guys couldn't even beat England or Russia, couldn't even get to Moscow.
America let Pearl Harbor happen so we would join the war as many Americans wanted Isolationism and nothing part of the Europe's mess once again. Do you think it was coincidence that All 4 carriers were out on secret maneuvers during the time of the attack.
Germans and the state of Prussia were great fighters, but I recall Washington and his men putting an whopping on these guys in the Revolutionary War as well. When once again, they were outgunned and outnumbered.
America use, and I mean use to be a very proud and just nation and yes, had the best fighters in the world. The avg Kill to death ratio for Americans to their opposition has been a staggering 1 to 4+ ratio throughout its war, exclude Civil war as it was fought amongst ourselves.
Germany is a great nation and has improved the world with its technology. But they are hardly the Superior race as they were Barbarians for centuries. It's amazing how great a nation can become when it accepts cultural and discipline in its society, which are the very elements that made America great as well and something we are losing by the year in our current society.
Sources:
Perhaps 15 years ago, I was watching a do entary on the battle of Stalingrad. During this gruesome broadcast, former German and Soviet soldiers provided running commentary on the savagery of that campaign and also confessed their grudging respect for the ferocity of their adversary on the battlefield. Both Germans and Soviets said their counterparts were brutal fighters.
At which point, the interviewer asked one of the former German soldiers, "And what of the American soldiers? How fearful were you of them?" The German looked at the camera, chuckled, then snarled, "Nobody had any respect for the American soldier."You defeated Japs and their shockingly pathetic weaponry. Your performance on the European continent was laughable. You would have been trounced by Nazis or Soviets. You couldn't even defeat Vietnamese 25 years later. America is insignificant in WW2 European theater.Read Max Hasting's "Overlord" -- he goes into considerable comparisons between American, British, and German combat "styles". The book is about the whole 2-3 month campaign until the "breakout" from the hedgerows.
His claim is that the average German soldier inflicted 50% more casualties than the average American soldier. This, he says, held true throughout the war regardless of battle conditions, i.e, regardless of what side had techtical, numeric or strategic superiority in a given situation. It held true even when the Allies were decoding German military communications faster than the Germans were
Laughable. I recall the Americans marching into Berlin twice. It's easy to kill people sitting in bunkers and shooting machine guns. Despite that, we still kick their asses. Germans were a bunch of pussy cowards, evident by their military leaders fleeing to South America and various other countries before the war ended. Once the war shifted to an even footing in Europe it was no contest. Who cares if they had or had no respect for American solider. That is the reason they got a beat.
Germany couldn't even beat the Americans at the Battle of the Bulge, where they initially out numbered the Americans 4 to 1, had air superiority, had artillery superiority. That battle showed anyone who was the better soldiers. American Solider didn't duck and run when they were outnumbered 4 TO 1 when Hitler implement his blitzkrieg one last time and failed miserably. And you said that Germans would have steamrolled America. Please, they had every opportunity AND FAILED. Prompting Germany's pussy leader to commit Suicide like the PUSSY he was.
And for the Soviets, America could have beat the out of them after WWII. It's just that many politicians, generals and such were already tired of war after fighting two fronts and just didn't bother with Russia.
Really, I guess 59,000 Americans dying to over 2.5 mil North Vietnamese dying means America got their asses handed to them. That was a war our government didn't let us win. We basically withdrew because the American populous was just tired of seeing American troops die for no reason.
I am sorry to break it to you, but America no matter what you say defeated Germany, not once, but twice in their own Backyard.
Some similarities to scientology, imo
Lmao this guy just said germany had air superiority at the battle of the bulge!!!!! Lmfao there was no Luftwaffe at that point and the only reason it wasn't successful is we literally ran out of gasoline for our panzer divisions! Germany was battered at fighting at roughly 30% of full strength. American ignorance ever ceases to amaze.
Lol Murica showing up only after the Euro superpowers had weakened each other
In European Theater, the Americans posses 5th or lower claim to defeating the Nazis. I dunno what Hollywood film you are basing your perspective on. I've visited these places, no mention of Americans. You are the Matt Bonner of WW2, coming in when Heat are down double digits in the clinching game.
You joined late and still struggled against Hitler's backup men (18 year olds). The Nazis were battling on the Eastern Front. The teenagers still held serve on the West.
Europeans don't give a about War in the Pacific so American contribution in WW2 doesn't exist to us Europeans. Just like no one gives a damn about Matt Bonner's contribution last year.
That diuchebag should learn a little history, the germans specifically waited for bad weather to shield their ground operations from overwhelming air superiority
http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/dai...-of-the-bulge/
Still makes me laugh that the majority of Americans believe they, by themselves, 'saved the world from fascism and communism' twice in the space of 50 years.
What are you talking about. That is the battle where they unleash their top secret planes and bombers, you the first jet propulsion aircraft. They unleashed the Tigers tanks as well, which the allies RPGs where useless against. They employeed the tactic you saw on Saving Private Ryan where they used sticky bombs to immobilize them. That is where the movie got that idea from.
Hitler threw his best at the Americans And still lost. You race hating fool will spin it any different ways to make it like Germany should have won if not for this or that. Americans were superior fighters, plain and simple. Like I said, they did it twice and proved it was no fluke.
Lol you are really trying to argue facts right in the face of evidence? I can posts links all day showing that the Americans/british had air superiority at that time.
and the tiger tank debuted before the battle of the bulge, and tiger II was introduced at Normandy
all i i have to say is lol
Late. What the f are you talking about. England was in shambles and Russians were holding on for dear life. Americans played it smart and first attack Rommel, the desert fox, in North Africa. Americans drove the Nazi's back. After months of just bombing runs in Europe, America planned D Day, which the British were utterly useless apart from being a port for our troops to land for transit.
the nail in coffin for Germany is that Rommel was driven from Africa and America invaded Italy, taking in only two months as Hilter never planned for a Southern assault. The American generals in Ike, Patton,and co. Just took the you guys to school while MacArthur and Nimitz took Japan to school in the Pacific. I watched 1,000 of hours of actual war footage and read countless books. What you are spewing is propaganda. Americans won that war so quickly from much better tactics and a superior fighting force.
Germany had all the advantage once America started in the war as they controlled continental Europe and all of North Africa. They could sit and bunker in for any assault by the Americans.
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At the initial assault. Maybe you Need to work on your reading comprehension. They used bad weather as not to alert the allies of an assault. They blitzkrieg the Americans, and at the initial juncture of that assault, they had superiority. But the Americans held their own until reinforcements arrived. It was projected that the war could have lasted for over another year possibly two if the Nazi had driven the Americans back. But they didn't, and that gamble was Hilter's last stand and Germany was done after it.
"The Germans attacked a weakly defended section of the Allied line, taking advantage of heavily overcast weather conditions, which grounded the Allies' overwhelmingly superior air forces."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bulge
go yourself n!gger, lol americans
Exactly, they were useless while Germany used what was left of theirs. Like I said, it was a good strategy by Hitler, but he didn't count on those Americans holding their own during the time they were outmatched. Despite facing superior force, those Americans held out for almost two days until reinforcements arrived. That is what Germany got for not respecting the American GI, another failed campaign.
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