Yeah, when state's rights supersede the Fed Rights under the department of Homeland security maybe you'll have a point, but until then STFU.
States rights DO supercede federal rights on disasters like this, until the governor says otherwise. Christ man, it's there in black and white, and I didn't see FEMA or the government saying anything otherwise when they signed off on NO's plan.Yeah, when state's rights supersede the Fed Rights under the department of Homeland security maybe you'll have a point, but until then STFU.
You STFU, it's not my fault you got caught with your Care Bear panties down around your ankles on this one.
Yeah, you got a good view of my panties on all four right?
Reading comprehension not your strong suit boy or you just stupid? What part of the governor's letter I posted effectively handing control of emergency preparedness for this disaster to the Feds did you not understand?
Wrong...the Govenor is still in charge...FEMA is not in charge in LA, not even now....Get it through your ing skull.
The Governors letter clearly states that State and local resources were being pushed to the breaking point.
Just ask yourself: If this wasn't a job created specifically for FEMA and Homeland Security then why do these agencies even exist?
Ask yourself this...if the FED was expected to do everything...why didn't their govenor get out of the way and let them do it?
The FED asked for the emergency evac, she got her State of Emergency Declratation and Fund 2 days before the storm even hit...
The Fed gave her everything she asked for....
And then when they asked to share power...she refused out of political distrust.
Do you think Jeb Bush refuses to work with his brother?
Do you think the Sri Lankans got uppity?
This situation did not get under control...until ing Honare went and drove down each and every ing street in NO...
Why couldn't they mayor have done that?
That piece of didn't put his cops in position to feed themselves....much less anyone else. You saying there was no food in ing New Orleans before the Hurricane?
The Mayor's Cops, the Govenors state troopers, and the Louisiana Guardsmen could not even get in touch with their leaders...because their leaders were Baton Rouge. But amazingly...they were able to get through to FEMA in Washington...unfortuately...that did exactly good because they had to go through the Govenor.
The Mayor was incompetent...but at least he worked with the Fed...
Not only was the Govenor incompetent...but she refused the Government's request to share power...after they gave her everything she was asking for.
I don't think Jeb Bush pulls that ...
I don't think the Sri Lankans were were making power plays...
Anatomy of a up....and it begins with the city and state officials.
Would it have been to difficult to at least position the busses along the high ground highways so they could at least be used after the Hurricane?
Would it have been too hard to make sure you law enforcement officers could feed themselves and have someone in authority making the decisions?
If Bush was man enough to take full responsibility , we wouldn't have to blame him,, But then again, who ever said Bush was a real man?
FEMA has untold power during these times
Wrong...officially they are still only supporting the State and City Governments...
This isn't open to debate...the Govenor is in charge of this entire thing...even now.
The difference is that she's using FEMA's man to get done because her own power structure collapsed due to a lack of leadership.
Honare has to go through the Mayor and Govenor for everything...
Well it's probably more like he tells them to get the out of his way...but officially that is the command and control structure.
The bottom-line is, America wants to see someone lose thier Job,
And I don't blame them.
If it was up to me, there would be Jail time for those ass holes.
B.S. danny boy. You said it was the Feds call Friday August 26th while the fact is the Feds were still trying to take control of the situation as recently as this past Friday Sept 2nd.
State officials were too worried about the possibility of Blame being placed on them to turn it over to the Feds. Politics interferring with the job of saving lives.
Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday (Sept 2nd) , the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.
The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. Enter the blame game politics----> "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090301680.html
I've already posted this. FEMA is separate from the National Guard. What the Bush administration wanted Blanco to do was declare Martial law and effectively absolve FEMA from any responsibility for this disaster up to that point. Of course Blanco wasn't gonna do that.Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday (Sept 2nd) , the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.
The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. Enter the blame game politics----> "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.
The fatal levees, the UNIQUE factor in Katrina distinguishing Katrina from all other bad hurricanes and the cause of the great majority of NO destruction and deaths, are under control of ACoE, whose budget and priorities are set by ... ?
You're one to talk. You pull more bull out of your ass than a pasture full of cows, then call it "fact."Reading comprehension not your strong suit boy or you just stupid? What part of the governor's letter I posted effectively handing control of emergency preparedness for this disaster to the Feds did you not understand?
Boy? Coming from someone who shows the maturity level of a two year old who hates the kid who took his shovel in the sandbox, that's a laugh.
What part of it didn't I understand? Apparently the same part federal lawyers didn't, because everyone says the governor is still running the show.
And it's apparently not understood by the governor either, as she was on CNN this morning saying it will still her show but that she now had more resources at her disposal after talking to Bush yesterday.
So, are you telling me the stupid ass governor thinks she's in control, but really isn't in control due to some "effectively ceding control" language in a letter SHE wrote?
That's some fun logic Dan, but I guess coming from a knucklehead who cheers every time a US troop dies in Iraq, nothing that comes from you should surprise me.
The brunt of the fault is NOT HIS TO TAKE. Not that there isn't any, but not all of it by any means. Either pay attention or STFU.
but he handled 9/11 so well...
with such leadership, strength and conviction!
Thanks for the reminder of User's birthday on Sunday.
IMHO, NO failed on the evacuation before the storm, and the Feds and Louisiana failed on the rescue operations after the storm.
Fact Check: About those buses now under water
We keep hearing that Mayor Nagin should have used those school buses now under water to evacuate those who didn't have cars. (E.g., it just came up on Hardball again)
It's time for a fact check. Based on the Times-Picayune Blog (i.e., CONTEMPORANEOUS report, not after-the-fact CYA), when he announced the mandatory evacuation, Nagin provided a toll-free number for people to call to get picked up by bus (RTA):
[QUOTE]Mayor Nagin issues mandatory evacuation for New Orleans
As of 9:30 a.m., Mayor Nagin has issued a mandatory evacuation for New Orleans.
* * *
The city has set up ten pickup areas to take people to emergency shelters. RTA buses will be picking up citizens for free and take them to these shelters. The number to call for pickup areas is 1-800-469-4828.
The pickup locations are (list of multiple pick up locations follows)[QUOTE]
See http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo... (You have to scroll way down to Aug 28 - the "permalinks" are not working)
I've seen no reports about whether the RTA buses were overwhelmed; whether the school buses were needed; whether people called, but didn't get picked up.
However - the contemporaneous do ents PROVE that Nagin offered those without transportation a way to call to get a ride to a shelter, and had buses picking people up.
Nagin had the buses but FEMA wouldn't authorize him to send them anywhere.
FEMA finally decided that the Superdome could be used as a safe shelter, even though they knew that there were no provisions for even 10,000 people no less 30,000.
Even once FEMA said it was okay to use the Superdome, they made little attempt to provide food or even water for the people that would be stuck in there. But they did have the manpower to make sure they searched everyone going in.
The public record will prove Nagin is the hero in this whole mess.
Oh sure Dan...blame the victims, ing racist.
blame the victims, ing racist.
Nagin is a minority.
looks like the wheels are coming off the liberal bash bush wagon....
[QUOTE=Nbadan]Fact Check: About those buses now under water
We keep hearing that Mayor Nagin should have used those school buses now under water to evacuate those who didn't have cars. (E.g., it just came up on Hardball again)
It's time for a fact check. Based on the Times-Picayune Blog (i.e., CONTEMPORANEOUS report, not after-the-fact CYA), when he announced the mandatory evacuation, Nagin provided a toll-free number for people to call to get picked up by bus (RTA):
[QUOTE]Mayor Nagin issues mandatory evacuation for New Orleans
As of 9:30 a.m., Mayor Nagin has issued a mandatory evacuation for New Orleans.
* * *
The city has set up ten pickup areas to take people to emergency shelters. RTA buses will be picking up citizens for free and take them to these shelters. The number to call for pickup areas is 1-800-469-4828.
The pickup locations are (list of multiple pick up locations follows)
See http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlo... (You have to scroll way down to Aug 28 - the "permalinks" are not working)
I've seen no reports about whether the RTA buses were overwhelmed; whether the school buses were needed; whether people called, but didn't get picked up.
However - the contemporaneous do ents PROVE that Nagin offered those without transportation a way to call to get a ride to a shelter, and had buses picking people up.
Nagin had the buses but FEMA wouldn't authorize him to send them anywhere.
FEMA finally decided that the Superdome could be used as a safe shelter, even though they knew that there were no provisions for even 10,000 people no less 30,000.
Even once FEMA said it was okay to use the Superdome, they made little attempt to provide food or even water for the people that would be stuck in there. But they did have the manpower to make sure they searched everyone going in.
The public record will prove Nagin is the hero in this whole mess.
So now you're saying the people didn't want to leave?
Was this part from Fact Check or from Nbadan's ass?
If so then fact check needs to hire me...FEMA couldn't tell Nagin ...FEMA has no control over local authorities...FACT. FEMA has no control over state authorities. FACT.
But even if they do...so whose idea was it to use the foodless Superdome?
Is Nagin hero for suggesting it? Or for getting FEMA to approve it?
I didn't realize the city of New Orleans had no food prior to the Hurricane...Damn FEMA.
It might have been nice to consider that those busses just might have some use after the hurricane and put them somewhere near the shelter for later use. But what do I know...I am not an idiot.
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yeah I guess the governors in the other states effected by hurricanes last year also are related to bush..
Looks like more dumb commentary from DOS.
C'mom, don't tell me you are gonna play the race card again.
I think most of you like to argue with Dan just for the sake of arguing. Personally, I don't know who's up this is. I know I don't blame Bush immediately, I don't credit him for doing what any president would have done(although maybe a little quicker) either. Some of you are awfully defensive of anything conservative for being non partisan, and in some cases ex-democrats.
Cecil after meeting you, I've decided I am in favor of abortion in cases of incest.
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