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    I love Kawhi Leonard, but not sure why anyone would hate on Lowe. Lowe said, he'd pick kawhi if not for the missed games. He also thinks Kawhi is by far the best defender in league specially how team now use the perimeter more than the post.
    Good post. No need to hate on one of the better NBA writers out there.

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    Because that's a stupid ass argument. If you think Kawhi Leonard is the best defensive player give the award to him, don't come with weak ass excuses. He played 15 less games. Boo ing hoo
    Lowe is one of the very few writers out there that thinks Leonad has cemented himself as the best defender in the league..Short stop. period...

    I don't know if you're being sarcastic though.

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    Bob Fitzgerald said he has Leonard for 1st all defense team during the last Spurs-Warriors telecast. Jim Barnett agreed.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/s...as-top-rookie/

    This guy from the Washington Post has Leonard for DPOY despite the missed games. 1st team defensive team too.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/FredKatz

    Fred Katz (posted his on Twitter) has Leonard runner up for DPOY. Has him on 1st team all defense and 3rd team all-NBA.

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    Lowe is one of the very few writers out there that thinks Leonad has cemented himself as the best defender in the league..Short stop. period...

    I don't know if you're being sarcastic though.
    No, I really think the "less games" thing is re ed. Specially 'cause is only 15 games, not 30.

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    Draymond Green is the most overrated turd in the league

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    BTW, I also think Lowe is one of the (if not the) best NBA writers right now.

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    No, I really think the "less games" thing is re ed. Specially 'cause is only 15 games, not 30.
    Right? That missed games bull doesn't seem to apply to guys like Chimpbrook, Butler, or Crawford. I still see them as candidates in every other award

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    No, I really think the "less games" thing is re ed. Specially 'cause is only 15 games, not 30.
    I agree..but Lowe does go deeper into his reason deep into one of his podcast..

    in any case, i dont want to hate on the guy because its rare to see guys like lowe in the media.

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    No, I really think the "less games" thing is re ed. Specially 'cause is only 15 games, not 30.
    15 games is a little less than 20% of the season.

    Missing games absolutely matters. More time on the court = more impact you're having over the course of the season. Who is going to have more impact, a guy who plays 10/10 defense for 60 games a season, or a guy who plays 9/10 defense for 80 games a season? Rhetorical question...

    Draymond over Kawhi is perfectly reasonable. You can easily argue that Kawhi hasn't been so much better than Draymond on defense that it makes up for nearly 500 extra minutes played by Draymond.

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    Talking about the other half of what the OP quoted, I wouldn't mind seeing Kerr get a COY. Mostly because it would mean it's raining on Mark Jackson, and he's easily in my top 10 of most irritating guys in the NBA right now (if not top 5, with Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler...)

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    Right? That missed games bull doesn't seem to apply to guys like Chimpbrook, Butler, or Crawford. I still see them as candidates in every other award
    Kawhi is literally Lowe's 2nd choice for DPOTY...it's not like people aren't listing him as a candidate still. Just saying they won't give him 1st place vote because of time missed. That's absolutely reasonable.

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    Isn't 38-year old Timmy already averaging close to Gobert's blocks per game, while also sporting better advanced defensive stats (DRPM, etc)?
    if you want to go to the road of Timmy is better at 38 y/o than the kid, I have no issue tbh... I'm on the wagon of people saying Tim has an amazing season and is overlooked even by his own fan base

    For the rest, I did not check their advanced def stat. I'm just saying kid is talented and for what I saw but also as said by numerous people, he is having a great impact of defense. Don't forget he is playing with mostly scrubs out there, his job on defense is a bit more complicated than with Kawhi, Split and Green. Again superficially I'd say the fact we have 4 of the top 10-15 best defender of the league playing together a lot of minutes is helping defensive individual stats of the 4 of them.

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    Missed games is often used as an excuse for not giving it to the best player. It is usually not indicative of the winner tbh. Examples include Marcus Camby over Bruce Bowen despite missed games, and Marc Gasol over TD in 2013 "because" of TD's missed games.

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    Ah yes, DPOY for the NBA's new darlings. SMH, guy misses 15 out of 82 games and you give it to the alternate.
    I couldn't have said it better.

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    I'd just hate an arrogant, show-boating piece of like Draymond to win anything, tbh.

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    Hopefully it lights a fire under Kawhi's ass and he comes out to prove a point.

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    Missed games is often used as an excuse for not giving it to the best player. It is usually not indicative of the winner tbh. Examples include Marcus Camby over Bruce Bowen despite missed games, and Marc Gasol over TD in 2013 "because" of TD's missed games.
    Again...minutes played matters. More games --> more minutes --> more time a player is on the court helping his team.

    Marc played ~2800 minutes in 2013. Tim played ~2100. That's a noticeable difference. I agree that Tim was a better player on a per-minute basis. But when you look at the scope of the entire season and are judging their impacts as a whole? That's when minutes matter. I'm not saying Tim couldn't have won it that year, but it wasn't like he got robbed and Marc didn't deserve it.

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    Hopefully it lights a fire under Kawhi's ass and he comes out to prove a point.
    This. Especially if we end up facing GSW.

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    The less minutes played argument is perfectly reasonable, I said the same thing when Gasol won over Duncan(which was even more reasonable, as Gasol played 700 more minutes IIRC, a colossal disparity)..

    The DPOY award isn't given to the best defensive player in the NBA, it's given to the player that had the best defensive season for that particular year(just like MVP isn't given to the best in the NBA, otherwise Dad Killer would have won it every year, as would Lebron)..Kawhi is unquestionably a better defender than Green and probably the best defender in the NBA outside of maybe Gobert, but 500 less minutes than Green is a significant disparity..to put that in context, think about how many close games the Spurs have lost this year, all those minutes matter..

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    i really don't see how someone played enough games to be #2 but not #1

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    The less minutes played argument is perfectly reasonable, I said the same thing when Gasol won over Duncan(which was even more reasonable, as Gasol played 700 more minutes IIRC, a colossal disparity)..

    The DPOY award isn't given to the best defensive player in the NBA, it's given to the player that had the best defensive season for that particular year(just like MVP isn't given to the best in the NBA, otherwise Dad Killer would have won it every year, as would Lebron)..Kawhi is unquestionably a better defender than Green and probably the best defender in the NBA outside of maybe Gobert, but 500 less minutes than Green is a significant disparity..to put that in context, think about how many close games the Spurs have lost this year, all those minutes matter..
    Generally, I'd agree, but because Duncan not winning a DPOY (despite no one in history anchoring more elite defenses or having greater longevity as an impact defender) is the greatest individual award travesty in the history of North American professional sports, he deserved that one, in part as a career achievement. And he probably would have won it if a white player wasn't the other prime contender.

    I always felt the reason he never won it was because he never fit the stereotypical mold of what many think a great defender looks like. Also, a lack of advanced metrics and in depth analysis throughout most of his career played a part.

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    one argument against green, is that he never has to guard the opposing team's best player, another is that he was a nobody last year, therefore making it a good bet that he had a fluke season favoured by great teammates and another is that he is not even the best defender in his own team and it's not even close (bogut).

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    Hope Kawhi pulls out the DPOY and he and Timmy make the All-NBA teams. (Danny deserves a few votes for All Defensive team too).

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    one argument against green, is that he never has to guard the opposing team's best player, another is that he was a nobody last year, therefore making it a good bet that he had a fluke season favoured by great teammates and another is that he is not even the best defender in his own team and it's not even close (bogut).
    All good points.

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    Isnt Gobert from irrelevant Utah team ?
    You mean the team that could finish tied with Phoenix, with a positive point differential, who on record alone would make the playoffs in the East and with an Eastern schedule, could be in the 4/5 matchup?

    How tides turned for that team once Kanter was shipped out.

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