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Eh maybe. It would depend on his finals performance imo
He is already top 3-4 you can argue both side with Magic a 6th will put him right behind Jordan
Eh maybe. It would depend on his finals performance imo
Finals performance is an overrated concept... what matters is overall performance during the whole POs. Duncan has been the best and most consistent Spurs player of last year le. And so far in 2015 he is our best player too
Scoring is not everything what about all the rebounds, block shots and even assists and no way Jordan played this type of D at 39. I have no problem putting Jordan first but with a 6th you could certainly make an argument for Timmy.
so whose place does he take? kareem or jordan? Cuz I can't see him being better than kareem. To me jordan isn't better than kareem either
I think just because it isn't even close yet still a waste or terrible way to spend your time with the massive amount of Kobe fanboys everywhere.
But increasingly everyone serious covering and worth listening to when it comes to basketball have Duncan easily ahead of Kobe.
Neh, Tim steps up like the boss when he has to, but I'll give the slight edge to Kawhi here.
Only spur fan can try to make that argument.
Playing defense on the wing and playing defense down low are totally different. As a big man, although rare, you can still play sound defense into the later stages of your career after you lose your athleticism. As a wing dfender, once oyur lateral quickness is gone, it doesn't matter how good your fundamentals are, you won't be able to stay in front of young quick guards.
what's crazy to me is that he's doing this at an age where most dudes are out of the league, or at best, afterthoughts riding the bench that don't really have a meaningful contribution to their team.
duncan is so old he played the ing knicks in the finals
and he's still out there willing his team to victory
last year or this year ?
Last year there is little doubt, this year you can probably argue indeed... it's a toss up between the two imo
If Duncan picks up ring number 6, it will be very difficult to put anyone but Jordan or Kareem above him. Those are the only two players with the les and stats that compare favorably to Duncan.
Bill Russell, tbh
Russell has rings over everyone, but his stats, particularly scoring, were not at the level of a Jordan, Kareem, or maybe even Duncan. On top of that, its incredibly hard to compare modern players to those before the merger. I have little doubt Russell and Wilt Chamberlain would have succeeded in any era, but their ridiculous dominance is as much a product of the time they played as it is their talent.
The only stat that isn't comparable is the scoring, but we're only talking Duncan averaging 2-3 more baskets a game. Russell dominated on rebounding and defense though.
I wonder why
5th all time, but do not think it gets better or worse from there
He's not better than Kareem, no way, and this is coming from a huge Timmy homer.
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Timmy
5. Bird
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Russell
9. Wilt
10. Kobe/Oscar/Lebron (case can be made for any of the 3)
so where do you rank RussellI wonder why
I would take Bird over Duncan tbh
I think Timmy has jumped the Kobe/Shaq tier and is firmly in the Bird/Magic tier. One more le and he will jump to the top of that but there is no way he can surpass Kareem or Jordan.
Wilt and Russell are impossible to rank because the league is unrecognisable. In 1969 there were only 14 teams, and throughout most of Russells dominance there were only 9. Even the stats can't be taken at face value, from '56 - '70 there were 47 instances of a player averaging over 17 rebounds/game. Since 1974 there have been only four, three by Rodman and once by Moses.
These guys are all time greats and if someone puts them above Timmy then I'm not mad, but they almost belong in their own list.
Top 10, but 2nd tier
Exactly. I've never understood why anyone would reference the raw numbers/totals from that era, as if they have any relevance to today's game.
I've always considered Malone (Karl) the true leading rebounder, though if Duncan returns, he'll pass him next season.
Ranking players from '80 on, I've had Johnson-Jordan-James-Duncan-Abdul-Jabbar as my all time, all NBA team, since James won his second le. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows the championship argument is flawed, but I do think you've got to have at least two to be in the top five all time discussion.
I'm not going to say Duncan is better than Abdul-Jabbar, but I do believe he is more well rounded and if I had to build my franchise around any player for 15 years, I'd strongly consider Duncan over him.
No argument although I'm not sure what 2nd tier means
Well you add more teams and the argument is that the league gets watered down.
I've seen plenty of people point to Wilt's 100 point game and say "aw it was just the era" but Kobe's 80 point game pretty much nullifies that.
don't have any problem including Wilt and Russell in goat discussions
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