Good for him.
I know I've brought this up before, but why the does anyone care about gay people getting married? Or think that they shouldn't? Because the Bible says no, or because folks will see an opportunity to scam tax and medical benefits, or even immigration and naturalization rights?
I just think that this is really a minor issue in the grand scheme of things.
people have a lot of time on their hands.
They left the "decided by the voters" part out on most of the news reports, saying only the courts should decide.
I bet if you get down to the money aspect of this, divorce lawyers are behind this somewhere. Gay marriage would mean more clients with no dependents, high amounts of property and discretionary income.
Yeah, not like people just want to get married or anything. It's gotta be some other faction twisting the entire system to benefit economically. Arnold is a girly man.
Excellent Post
Sad but true
j-6, What do you consider the "grand scheme of things?"
Gay marriage is not at the forefront in national issues at the moment and shouldn't be. People are free to do what they will but I personally don't consider the erosion of the moral fabric of our society or the moral decadence of our nation a non-issue.
The moral fabric is already good and ed. Stop trying to pretend that heterosexual marriage is somehow more sacred.
[QUOTE]I don't have much arguement with that.
Only someone with no moral foundation would equivocate the sacredness of sexual marriage to that of heterosexual marriage.Stop trying to pretend that heterosexual marriage is somehow more sacred.
Man without God thinks it's fine. Man with God knows the stark difference, the difference between heaven and . That's an open and shut case.
If that's their choice, fine. Don't try to ram your Godless screwed up vision of what is and what isn't sacred down the throats of the rest of society by teaching it an ino more than an inalienable right when it's actually nothing more than moral decadence and sin.
Romans:
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity.
So you're right in your first point and wrong in your second. Go ahead and argue with God about it if you like.
I think the only threat they pose to civilization and the way we know it is if there is an adaptation whereby they can reproduce. I do not see that coming anytime soon, but who knows.
s and lesbians have been around all cultures for 1000s of years (it's a genetic disposition), and still somehow civilization can advance.
With all the problems on the agenda, legislating against same-sex marriage is way down the list.
eg, while I don't support s and lesbians as teachers recruiting in schools, that would be much less of a "threat to civilization" than the nutcase evangelicals undermining science by having evidence-free creationism and ID fairy tales forced into schools as a supposely legitimate/equivalent alternative to science.
Another example, the number of US citizens murdered by s and lesbians is way below the number of US citizens' lives wasted in the Repug Iraq war.
For starters, being gay isn't something people do. It's something people are. Second, the very definition of moral is "Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character.". If you're thinking that who people with the door closed is a definition of their human action and character, you need to focus more on the world around you and less on people you probably don't socialize with in the first place.
So I take it you're from the "'Cause the Bible says so!" camp. That's cool. Then don't allow it in your church. But with the separation of church and state provision our Cons ution allegedly contains, I just don't understand the problem with it.
I'm guessing gays need to wait for the closed-minded set that pushes being gay as some sort of immoral act to die off or get too old for meaningful politics. Until then, they're ed because the Bible says so.
Pity.
God doesn't give two flips about politics. As long is there's still a shred of morality left on earth there will be opposition to moral decadence.
Believing what God says as truth is being closed minded? Because YOU say so?
You dismiss the morality of God and His teachings and you're not closed-minded?
You get pissed because I've posted what God says when he correctly defines sexual behavior as the deviant sexual sin it is? You're own intolerant philosphy undermines your criticism. How full of hypocrisy you are!
Twenty years from now you and the so called "progressive thinkers" of you ilk will come to the sordid conclusion that it's okay for adults to practice their sexual immorality on children! Shove it j-6!!
I don't know what it is but people who argue against gay marriage are always likely to bring something like that up, even though it doesn't make much sense
Who was the Governor that went around condemning gays and signing laws against them in public while in private he was having an affair with his male secretary???
Oh yea that was Perry of Texas...But lets worry about what Ahhhhhnold & Cali are up to....
Dead Thread...like most of the poli threads here. very little substance but tons of rhetoric and emotion. Emotions are liars
Last edited by hussker; 09-11-2005 at 08:29 PM.
God doesn't give two flips about politics. As long is there's still a shred of morality left on earth there will be opposition to moral decadence.
Believing what God says as truth is being closed minded? Because YOU say so?
You dismiss the morality of God and His teachings and you're not closed-minded?
You get pissed because I've posted what God says when he correctly defines sexual behavior as the deviant sexual sin it is? You're own intolerant philosphy undermines your criticism. How full of hypocrisy you are!
Twenty years from now you and the so called "progressive thinkers" of you ilk will come to the sordid conclusion that it's okay for adults to practice their sexual immorality on children! Shove it j-6!!
Maybe your God doesn't care about politics, but politics sure cares a lot about him. Otherwise we wouldn't be flinging poo at each other in a political thread. This is about the government allowing a personal freedom and privledge to a group of people, not what the book of Romans says. Seperation of church and state, remember? Like I said, if it disgusts you and your religion's teachings, make it known that they're not welcome in your church of God. The gay folks will stay away from your pack of -bashers, I'm sure.
I'm not pissed off, either. Actually, I'm sort of amused. Why are you passing judgment on people that like to get it on within their gender? Isn't that God's job and not yours? You holy types don't even associate yourselves with gays for the most part anyway besides to ostracize them, so why does it matter?
You might not be ignorant. , I don't know you. But that child molestation statement at the end of your post was ridiculous, and I hope that's not the crap you're feeding to your flock in church.
Like my sister says, "Gay is the new black."
Rhetoric
Maybe you should look up waht rhetoric means before tossing the word around.
your statement demanding the definition is not rhetoric, but this thread has become rhetorical indeed...from both sides af a discussion that matters not to the folks discussing the issue.
And What is waht?
You state this and yet you do the same?You're own intolerant philosphy undermines your criticism.
What the gay community wants is LEGAL rights. You do not have to be married in a church. One can just be married in the courthaouse in front of the justice of peace. Those hetero couples being married in Vegas in those cheesy "chapels" is sooooo moral....yet LEGAL.
What about those who aren't of your religion, or atheists? According to bible divorce is morally wrong too, but it happens.
Before you pass judgement by basing things on your own religion....you need to "clean house". Judge not, lest ye be judged. Or do you just select passages from the bible to suit your beliefs and not look at the "big picture" that the bible is saying?
Sperm comes not from an ovum nor eggs from a rectum...
It won't last.
The right to gay marriage is less than 15 years away.
And we'll all look back on some of you the way we look back on the picketers at desegregated Alabama schools in the Sixties.
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