Spurs: Tim Duncan: The Man, The Myth, The Overrated Fraud

[Koolaid_Man]

For me Duncan's legacy is more based on the ridiculous amount of ref favoritism he has managed to accrue with his low-key personality and the fact that he is really really long. His basketball IQ isn't bad but it doesn't take a genius to get a rebound or lay it up over someone's head when you're 7 foot and you can reach the rafters. Everyone likes to overrate him because his personality and they kind of build this legend in their mind he's not athletic hes just brilliant basketball master, when in fact most of his advantage is that few players have managed to be that tall and have that long of arms.

People talk about him like he's some genius but he was gifted with the perfect PF/C size and has leveraged that well, along with playing with arguably the best coach in NBA history. Certainly I don't think he's deserving of the top 10. Some people are even putting him above Kobe, who had jackson but also sometimes bad teams and bad coaches, which is ridiculous when you consider he's just a cog in Popovic's system. I also don't think if you were a GM and not just a fan you would take Duncan over a lot of other players you usually put him ahead of because while he has held up well even at his peak he needs a decent team and legendary coaching to get deep in the playoffs. I will point out that when he went against the other top bigs of his era (early of course since there are no great bigs now) he didn't fair so great.

[Koolaid_Man]

I started this thread becuz everyone always talking about what a smart guy Duncan is and how he can play so well with no athleticism when they completely ignore that he has it easier than 99% of the NBA being as long as he is and really the evidence isn't there to say he's really smart. When he does give interviews he's a smart alec and he used "re " as a derogatory word so what little evidence I've seen contradicts the stereotype about him. I shouldn't have include the ref favoritism part that's a whole nother thread.

[Koolaid_Man]

People claim that Duncan is the number 1 player of the 2000s and it's not even a discusssion. I just don't get that. Duncan has never dominated statistically on the level of a Shaq, Kobe or Lebron. Head to head he has more often than not came up small against Kobe. people claim that he's the consummate winner and laud him for his consistency. But somehow forget that everytime he wins he's had a STACKED team.

in 1999 and 2003, he's played with top 12 BIG MAN in history DAVID RObinson. and Robinson was still dominant in 1999. 2003 team had the greatest collection of role players in a championship team in a long time. Prime Stephen Jax, Bruce Bowen, tony parker, Manu, etc.

Since 2003, he's played with top 5 PG in the league Tony Parker and GREATEST euro player of all time Manu Ginobli. Yet he never catches any flack for having great help.

Tim Duncan is 3rd best player of this decade top 3 goes like this

Kobe Bryant
Shquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan

[Blizzardwizard]

Gamefaqs WTF

[Koolaid_Man]

To me KG is the greatest Power Forward to play this game....

Honestly I never respected Tim Duncan. Not for him as a person or his unselfishness on the court, but his career.


Duncan is not a power forward. He is a center that plays power forward. He played PF due to him playing with Robinson. Then when he retired, Duncan was too scared to play against Shaq when he was on the Lakers so he stayed in that position.

Also people really overlook how stacked those Spurs teams were. From the '99 team with Avery Johnson, Mario Ellie, Shawn ******, Robinson, etc. Then later Kerr, Stephen Jackson, Ginobili, Parker, etc. Let someone say KG had any body on his team close to that. None of his teammates were no where as good as even one of Duncan's. To me its impressive that KG lead his teams to the playoffs and lost in the WC Finals in 2004 with Sprewell and Cassell as his best teammates

And now on Duncan the player. As crazy as it may sound, Duncan was overrated. He is the perfect example of a system guy. Pop was the best at creating plays, and recognizing the talent he has and utilizing it to its greatest potential to succeed. One of the best half court executing teams. Duncan was not that great an individual talent offensively or defensively. He had a decent BBall IQ and utilized the "system" to perfection and had the physical tools to do so. Not to mention he was the ultimate team player. However have you seen Duncan put someone in a phone booth defensively or dominated someone offensively? What I'm basically saying is Duncan's greatness is predicated on Popovich's off and deff sets.

KG on the other hand never had a steady coach on the Wolves except for Flip Saunders for a few years. Was the anchor on defense on a poor defensive team. One of the best defensive players of any position IMO. An exceptional passer. Also one of the best footwork for a big man. Only Mchale and Olajuwon are in his league in that regard. Duncan's defense is again a "system" defense. He plays good defense on only power forwards since he really is a center anyway lol

To say Duncan is the best because of his les is wrong, given his very talented teammates and hall of fame coach.
This is not a shot at Duncan to make KG look good. I am simply stating that he is not the player people portray him to be. Duncan should still be in the Hall of Fame obviously, but not in that all time elite status. KG, instead of Duncan, should be regarded as the greatest PF to ever play

[DarrinS]

KirbyFan is so jealous of Duncan

[Koolaid_Man]

Facts are facts

[FromWayDowntown]

I love when the interwebs turn opinions into "facts."

[unforeseen]

OP is a got that copied a post from 2012 on gamefaqs.

[Splits]

At least he didn't play his last playoff game at age 33. Or head off into retirement leading his team to 3 straight lotteries.

[Malik Hairston]

This thread feels like the pre-metrics era, where people only used unquantifiable arguments..

[Koolaid_Man]

This thread feels like the pre-metrics era, where people only used unquantifiable arguments..

The Man, The Myth, The Sex Life

[spurraider21]

He never was able to lead his team to a repeat championship. Basically won 4 1/2 championships in NBA down years and got mollywhopped the next season when the target was on his back.

Never was a great scorer.

Never was a good one on one defender, but was an above average help defender.

Never was a great shot blocker.

Never was a great passing big man.

Never had to guard the opponents best player as he routinely ducked the bigtime bigs by switching between C and PF (wherever was easiest or most convenient for him at the time).

Pretty much just above average or average all around.

He had Bruce Bowen guarding all the perimeter great players the Spurs went against.

The guy has been a B-Average player his entire career. Never extraordinary at anything, just pretty good at everything.

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[spurraider21]

kool's sources he is copying/pasting includes gamefaqs, ign, and the e coli forums

[Koolaid_Man]

kool's sources he is copying/pasting includes gamefaqs, ign, and the e coli forums

why is that a surprise....

[Koolaid_Man]

I work efficient...I'm not stupid...I'm a volume poster...and I believe that if you're not cheating you're not trying....

[The Reckoning]

funny.


keep entertaining.

[Koolaid_Man]

I think what's funny is that you thought I would even take the time to write all that up myself...I got es to so I gotta do this fast

[Koolaid_Man]

however facts are still facts...I in agreement with those Cats

[Silver&Black]

spurraider21 doing the Lord's work ITT....

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[LkrFan]

They should have just redesigned the bronze medal to reflect the utter failure of the 2004 US team lead by Tim Duncan.

BAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Koolaid_Man]

spurraider21 doing the Lord's work ITT....

gamefaq
ign

no he's not...do you dim wits not think I wouldn't expect you to copypasta to try and find a source....you clowns always do EXACTLY what I expect...I'm always a step ahead you clowns...I know the outcome before I even engage...very calculating I am...

[LkrFan]

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