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It's a tough one between the Pistons and Spurs. I would say that the Pistons easily have the most well-rounded starting 5 in the league. No player really sticks out as that much better than another, and there are no weak points. If you ask 10 people to rank their starters from 1 to 5 you'll get 8 or 9 different lists. Where as with other teams you'll usually get a clear cut list.
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:03 PM.
jeff foster is better than nazr and Bowen
and only .4 points worse than Tayshuan Prince
You have to rank SA first, because of Rasheed. IMHO, he pulls Detroit's overall score way down. A #4 that only takes jump shots and won't mix it up down low?
There is such a disparity in the quality of starting centers in the NBA that I have a hard time ranking the teams. Miami should probably be ranked higher for this reason, but they have some real liabilities as well.
rasheed is overrated
although he did block duncan like 19 times during the finals
but then again he couldnt jump
FOSTER vs MOHAMMED
Foster is a better rebounder and defender than Mohammed.
Mohammed is a better scorer, however both players are mediocre scorers so it's very small factor.
FOSTER'S BETTER
FOSTER vs BOWEN
Foster is a better scorer and rebounder than Bruce Bowen.
Bowen is a slightly better defender and passer.
The only huge difference between the two is in rebounding, where Foster was #3 in the league in rebounding rate.
FOSTER'S BETTER
FOSTER vs PRINCE
Foster is a better rebounder.
Prince is a better scorer and passer.
They're even defenders.
PRINCE IS BETTER
Spurs should always be ranked one is because they won a championship with that lineup.
His offense isn't his strongest asset (even though he has the talent for it). It's his defense and unselfishness that make him a great player. He always gives JO and Duncan fits.
Plus, word has it, he's busting his ass this summer because he wants to make it up to the teammates he "let down" during the finals. I expect to see sheed in the post more often next year. Especially now that he has a coach who isn't in his back pocket.
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:03 PM.
He doesn't always... JO and Duncan were both injured when Rasheed faced them in the playoffs.
ROFL
bowen is a SLIGHTLY better defender than foster?
prince is better i admit that, but by less than half a point
are we talking about the same jeff foster, from san antonio that went to SWT?
Jeff is a damn good defender, Bowen is on another level though.
I would adjust the following
Rip: 8/10
Parker 7/10
Duncan has openly admitted that Rasheed gives him a hard time, and Jermaine knows it as well, he just has too much of an ego to admit it. Even when he isn't injured he struggles against Sheed a lot of the time. It's only fitting though since they are such close friends from portland that he knows most of his moves.
BTW, why are people comparing Jeff Foster to Bowen and Prince? That's just pointless.
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:03 PM.
I don't get the point of this in the least. When you take the players off your sheet of paper and put them on the floor everybody knows the Spurs play better than, function better as a team then the individuals. Pistons play as well as the individuals and the Pacers, etc play worse collectively than the individuals due to their overall low IQ to function as a team and teams like the Pacers have proven this over and over in the past choking and playing stupidly in crunch time when it counts. I doubt anything has changed.
THe Pistons are a great TEAM, not just a great collection of players. If they played as good as their players, they'd be a pretty good, but not great, team.
Not true. They have a lot of individula talent, particularly on defense where every starter with the possible exception of Hamilton is a well above average defender, most in the top ten for their postion in the league. They play well but not vastly above their individual talent. On offense it's a different story.
On defense the Spurs are a notch or two below them in total omn individual talent imo but they more than make up for it by their near immaculate teamwork on defense. They roatate as a unit, not one player reacting after the first and then a delay with the third reacting after the second. No other team in the league comes close in that functionality. Ceratinly not the Pacers, undoubtedly not the Heat or Suns.
On offense the Spurs are evolving into a multi-dimensional offense. more varied and cohesive than any of those other teams. At their best I think they can rival the Kings in their heyday in the passing game. And a killer that the Spurs have in spades unlike any other of the above mentioned teams is outside shooting, even more so than last year with NVE and Finley added. Ask Detroit what that meant last year in the playoffs.
I don't care whether it's team or man-to-man defense, the Pistons play great defense, better than the Spurs IMO. Their frontcourt is simply incredible, it doesn't get any better than a defensive trio of Prince, Rasheed, and Ben.
They aren't a great offensive team, but they also don't have any true go-to scorer; whereas the Spurs have two in Manu and Tim. The Pistons get production out of their offense through team-oriented, unselfish play.
Besides, if the Spurs have the talent to rival the Kings offensively, then why didn't they last year? Wouldn't that mean they played below their talent level...?
In some individual games, certain players outplayed their couterparts, games one and two, for example, Manu tore the Pistons defense apart. Games three and four were different though. The same could be said about the Pistons and Tayshaun Prince for example. Overall both teams palayed evenly during the series but the thing tha treally made a difference, the constant, was Duncan
Because the Spurs focus is on defense, not offense. Which means instead of letting your whole team run as soon as the ball comes off the board, they leave guys back to have a better chance of securing the rebound. Instead of having 4 or 5 players crashing the offensive boards, they give up a few putbacks here or there to make sure theyve always got a couple guys getting back on defense. And they milk the clock, both by making smart choices on offense and locking down their opponents on defense, which means less shots, which means lower scores. If the Spurs focused on offense like the Kings or Suns, they could keep up. This was made evident by the WCF, when the Spurs beat Phoenix at their own run and gun game. But, as a general rule, they make the choice to not play that type of offense.
Oh, and last I checked, the Spurs were winning the championship while the Kings were making a quick first-round exit with their high octane offense.
IMO, I think Det has the best Starting 5 in the NBA. We are good cause when they get tired our bench s on theirs so... I think If its the 5 you want its gonna have to be DET cause they are really good at working together all the time, not that we aren't but they seem to stick together like glue, and If you break each of them down, yea 'Weed, and Big Ben, are the best, but as a team they are harder to beat.
I agree.
They may not be extremely talented, but together they're very hard to beat.
This is so distorted it ain't even funny...
You're saying Parker (7.3), Tinsley (7.4), Billups (7.5) are roughly on the same level? Billups is head and shoulders above Tinsley, and Parker is better too. If Tinsley gets a 7.4, then Parker gets a 7.7, and Billups 8
And Bowen (6.6) is worse than Haslem (6.8), Posey (6.8) and Foster (6.8)!! Bowen, all-defensive 1st team, the #2 vote getter for DPOY .. he also led the league in 3 PT% in 2003 .. and shot more than adequately in the playoffs this year .. in the Spurs' system I'd value him at least around 7.5 or better
And how is Ginobili (8) inferior to Marion (8.6) .. the same Marion who found it difficult to score in double digits vs the Spurs in the WCF .. while Ginobili was busy taking over games in the 4th ... Ginobili>>Marion
we shouldn't answer anymore to what that gay pacers fan says. He just come here to free up his disappointment.
The Artest Factor = biggest homer I've met
It's silly to reply to his posts.
I'll take Marion anyday over Manu. I'm not just saying that because Phoenix is my team.Manu is just plain irritating. Everytime i watch a Spurs game he's on the groud acting like he's dead..thats so very lame.Manu has such talent i wish he'd just play and fall to the ground when he really does get knocked down.Besides that Marion is just better.oh.. and i don't want to hear the excuse of Marion not being able to score.Marion was like asleep during the WCF. He tried his best and had some finger problems.That's all a fan can ask for..
Go Suns!
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