Pistons: Bill Laimbeer: Lebron much better than Dad Killer..

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They have virtually the same 3-point % in the playoffs(33 vs. 32%), but Lebron shoots way more 3s(4 per game vs. 2.5)..stop..

James is the current day version of Tim Thomas. Layups or jack up 3s. Lacks the offensive skill set to do much else

[Malik Hairston]

Lebron has played vs. 16 top 5 defenses in the playoffs, so far, through 10 playoff runs..Jordan played vs. 16, as well, through 12 playoff runs..obviously, Lebron is going to add more to the list, as he has many years remaining..

Would have been interesting to see Jordan go against great defenses of his time more often, tbh..he only played against the #1 ranked defense in the league twice throughout his entire career(Lebron has already done it 5 times)..IIRC the 1993 Knicks and 1997 Heat..

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Lebron has played vs. 16 top 5 defenses in the playoffs, so far, through 10 playoff runs..Jordan played vs. 16, as well, through 12 playoff runs..obviously, Lebron is going to add more to the list, as he has many years remaining..

Would have been interesting to see Jordan go against great defenses of his time more often, tbh..he only played against the #1 ranked defense in the league twice throughout his entire career(Lebron has already done it 5 times)..

James is definitely the Greatest player since Kobe Bryant

[Malik Hairston]

Even Kobe went up against 4 #1 ranked defenses, tbh..

[cantthinkofanything]

The gap between the two Is actually a lot closer than people think. Jordan is getting more and more overrated in which he is some kind of God that can do no wrong. He's still obviously one of the best, if not outright the best, of all time, but he isn't really head and shoulders above everybody else like what most people say.

Look at the teams he won with, they were unorthodox in the makeup and have all the components ideally constructed to amplify Jordan's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

Lebron. he's no Jordan.

That being said, both have some asterisks by thier legacy.

Jordan's les came against a couple of good teams but he missed most of the dynasties.
Until Detroit fell apart, the Bulls couldn't even get to the Finals. Then they never had to play the Duncan Spurs or the Kobe/Shaq Lakers. They also only caught Showtime Lakers on their last legs.

And Lebron is making all these finals in the god awful East.

But seeing them both play, Jordan is hands down the GOAT.

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Lebron. he's no Jordan.

That being said, both have some asterisks by thier legacy.

Jordan's les came against a couple of good teams but he missed most of the dynasties.
Until Detroit fell apart, the Bulls couldn't even get to the Finals. Then they never had to play the Duncan Spurs or the Kobe/Shaq Lakers. They also only caught Showtime Lakers on their last legs.

And Lebron is making all these finals in the god awful East.

But seeing them both play, Jordan is hands down the GOAT.

If the Bulls don't run Shaq off the floor in 1996, he never goes West. Jordan played the Penny/Shaq Magic. Nothing would change playing the Kobe version

Duncan Spurs. Meh, he battled Malone and Barkley. No offense but those teams would have multiple les in the 2000's/Current Day

[Alex's foreskin]

LeBron got shut down by the likes of Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Terry, Dashawn Stevensen, Shawn Marion, Tony Allen in the playoffs

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1. Duncan
2. Kobe
3. Shaq
4. James

[Malik Hairston]

LeBron got shut down by the likes of Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu, Jason Terry, Dashawn Stevensen, Shawn Marion, Tony Allen in the playoffs

Marion and Allen(when was this?) are great defenders, and Lebron completely annihilated the Magic defense(one of the best performances in league history)..Stephenson is true, though, although most of Jordan's 90s defensive opponents were midgets, or at least undersized..

[~O~]

Ever thought of Jordan possessing the same body type as LeBron James? That guy would probably have a statue in front of the white house and Oxford University if that was the case.

[~O~]

, he'd probably have 15 championships lol.

[Malik Hairston]

Ever thought of Jordan possessing the same body type as LeBron James? That guy would probably have a statue in front of the white house and Oxford University if that was the case.

Jordan was arguably the most athletic wing player of all-time..if you took away his athleticism, he would have never even sniffed the NBA..anybody can play that game..

[Alex's foreskin]

Marion and Allen(when was this?) are great defenders, and Lebron completely annihilated the Magic defense(one of the best performances in league history)..Stephenson is true, though, although most of Jordan's 90s defensive opponents were 6'2", or at least undersized..

Tony Allen was on that Boston team LeBron lost to the playoffs before he joined Miami. LeBron still had around 25 turnovers that series against Orlando.

[cantthinkofanything]

If the Bulls don't run Shaq off the floor in 1996, he never goes West. Jordan played the Penny/Shaq Magic. Nothing would change playing the Kobe version

Duncan Spurs. Meh, he battled Malone and Barkley. No offense but those teams would have multiple les in the 2000's/Current Day

Just saying he wouldn't be 6 for 6 with two threepeats.
Those teams wouldn't be intact in today's watered down NBA. The Jazz were damn good though back in the day.

[Malik Hairston]

If the Bulls don't run Shaq off the floor in 1996, he never goes West. Jordan played the Penny/Shaq Magic. Nothing would change playing the Kobe version

Duncan Spurs. Meh, he battled Malone and Barkley. No offense but those teams would have multiple les in the 2000's/Current Day

1998 Utah Jazz: 17th ranked defense in the NBA

[Malik Hairston]

Jordan:

- Better post game (although it was mostly against tiny defenders)
- Better mid-range shooter
- Better ball-handler
- Better at getting his own father killed(although he wins this by default vs LeBron)

[hitmanyr2k]

Weak era to be honest.

Lebron's compe ion in '13, '14 and '15...

'13

Sub .500 Bucks team with no star power.

A Bulls team held together by chewing gum and scotch tape playing 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Overrated, dumb turnover happy Pacers team with third year rising star Paul George and a walking stiff at center in Hibbert.

'14

A terrible Bobcats team with hobbled Al Jefferson

A terrible Nets team with a rookie coach in Jason Kidd

The same dumb, turnover happy Pacers team with inconsistent Paul George and a walking stiff at center in Hibbert.

'15

A terrible sub .500 Celtics team

Once again an injured Bulls team

Overrated injured Hawks team

[Malik Hairston]

Weak era to be honest.

Lebron's compe ion in '13, '14 and '15...

'13

Sub .500 Bucks team with no star power.

A Bulls team held together by chewing gum and scotch tape playing 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Overrated, dumb turnover happy Pacers team with third year rising star Paul George and a walking stiff at center in Hibbert.

'14

A terrible Bobcats team with hobbled Al Jefferson

A terrible Nets team with a rookie coach in Jason Kidd

The same dumb, turnover happy Pacers team with inconsistent Paul George and a walking stiff at center in Hibbert.

'15

A terrible sub .500 Celtics team

Once again an injured Bulls team

Overrated injured Hawks team

You know that if you extrapolate for the lockout season, Lebron has defeated 9 50-win teams, while Jordan at the same point in his career only beat 10, right?..

Not to mention Lebron has went up against the same number of top-5 defenses as Jordan, despite having years and years remaining..

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You know that if you extrapolate for the lockout season, Lebron has defeated 9 50-win teams, while Jordan at the same point in his career only beat 10, right?..

Not to mention Lebron has went up against the same number of top-5 defenses as Jordan, despite having years and years remaining..

Not all stats/records are created equal

Team W-L ranks higher than Top-5 defenses. Beyond what does "Top-5 defense" even mean. Opponent PPG? Opponent Shooting%? Most Turnovers? Most players on All-Defense lists?

[Malik Hairston]

Not all stats/records are created equal

Team W-L ranks higher than Top-5 defenses. Beyond what does "Top-5 defense" even mean. Opponent PPG? Opponent Shooting%? Most Turnovers? Most players on All-Defense lists?

It means you ranked as 1 of the top 5 defenses in that year..

[Killakobe81]

The gap between the two Is actually a lot closer than people think. Jordan is getting more and more overrated in which he is some kind of God that can do no wrong. He's still obviously one of the best, if not outright the best, of all time, but he isn't really head and shoulders above everybody else like what most people say.

Look at the teams he won with, they were unorthodox in the makeup and have all the components ideally constructed to amplify Jordan's strengths and minimize his weaknesses.

We dont always agree but I'm with Amb.
MJ is still my GOAT but Lebron can take some steps up Mt Olympus with another ring. And again MJ is my GOAT but cases can be made, for Magic, Kareem, Duncan and with a few more rings Lebron.

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It means you ranked as 1 of the top 5 defenses in that year..

Nooooo

[Clipper Nation]

James doesn't even have a reliable jump shot

Stern moved the three-point line in to inflate DK's horrible career 3PT%

[Clipper Nation]

Jordan:

- Better post game (although it was mostly against tiny defenders)
- Better mid-range shooter
- Better ball-handler
- Better at getting his own father killed(although he wins this by default vs LeBron)

- Better at sucking off Stern to get the rulebook changed for him and every call/no-call from the refs
- Better at getting suspended for gambling

[Alex's foreskin]

We dont always agree but I'm with Amb.
MJ is still my GOAT but Lebron can take some steps up Mt Olympus with another ring. And again MJ is my GOAT but cases can be made, for Magic, Kareem, Duncan and with a few more rings Lebron.

Duncan got outplayed by a teammate in 3 of his 5 les.