Apple to buy Greece in friendly takeover.

[Slomo]

Was watching a bit on bloomberg morning that said they won't really feel it until they can't find food on the shelves.

25% unemployment so far. We'll see.

Not a lot of sympathy from others, especially from the poorer east europeans:

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eur...-greece-316052

I feel a little bad for the regular people because they will suffer disproportionally compared to the banks and ins utions that are the main culprits - but they never asked themselves where the money was coming for their generous Christmas bonuses and end of year xtra salaries (yes many used to get both), short working weeks, rich retirement plans...

When the hit the fan their reaction pissed off a lot of people (I think mostly the Germans) because the popular belief in Greece was (and still is) that they deserve those benefits and lifestyles and should be left alone to enjoy them. It's one of those "be careful what you wish for" situation because they are very close to become a Chinese province (which is not the worse I guess since Russia is currently a little short on cash).

I can confirm that the East European eurozone members who had similar issues and had to take care of them (tough austerity measure and closely monitored spendings) are not very keen to bail them out now, because they have not seen much effort (or even willingness) from Greece to do the same.

Greece leaving the Eurozone would represent a cost to the other members (and other negative effects), but the mood right now is turning towards the opinion that the cost will be much lower than the cost of bailing them out.

[RandomGuy]

I feel a little bad for the regular people because they will suffer disproportionally compared to the banks and ins utions that are the main culprits - but they never asked themselves where the money was coming for their generous Christmas bonuses and end of year xtra salaries (yes many used to get both), short working weeks, rich retirement plans...

When the hit the fan their reaction pissed off a lot of people (I think mostly the Germans) because the popular belief in Greece was (and still is) that they deserve those benefits and lifestyles and should be left alone to enjoy them. It's one of those "be careful what you wish for" situation because they are very close to become a Chinese province (which is not the worse I guess since Russia is currently a little short on cash).

I can confirm that the East European eurozone members who had similar issues and had to take care of them (tough austerity measure and closely monitored spendings) are not very keen to bail them out now, because they have not seen much effort (or even willingness) from Greece to do the same.

Greece leaving the Eurozone would represent a cost to the other members (and other negative effects), but the mood right now is turning towards the opinion that the cost will be much lower than the cost of bailing them out.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...fault-eurozone

Ordinary greeks are themselves partly to blame due to rampant tax evasion. Lots of blame to spread around,

[apalisoc_9]

The Ottomans where tribes form the Asian steps chased out from their original place by the Mongols. They settled in Anatoliya (and around), converted to Islam and created the Ottoman empire - not really an invasion. They did fight for Byzantium but pretty much where there for a long time.

Integrated or not, it was part of the occupied territories of the Ottoman empire, just like Hungary, Bosnia, Serbia...

Constantinople was the capital of Roman Byzantine and later invaded and conquered by the ottomans. I don't see how it wasn't an invasion, since it was basically the eastern capital of the christans and later transformed to a muzzie state after generations of Political and Religious influence.

Anatolya not equal to Turkey.

Greece, Southern Europe, Levant, Middle East and a large portion of Western Asia was occupied states with their own independent Admins. It was basically a set of occupied countries that either Payed Zakat or Tax depending on their religious affiliations. Why should an occupied country be considered part of a country..Afganistan was never considered USSR or USA...

[Slomo]

Constantinople was the capital of Roman Byzantine and later invaded and conquered by the ottomans. I don't see how it wasn't an invasion, since it was basically the eastern capital of the christans and later transformed to a muzzie state after generations of Political and Religious influence.

Anatolya not equal to Turkey.

Greece, Southern Europe, Levant, Middle East and a large portion of Western Asia was occupied states with their own independent Admins. It was basically a set of occupied countries that either Payed Zakat or Tax depending on their religious affiliations. Why should an occupied country be considered part of a country..Afganistan was never considered USSR or USA...

Agree that Constantinople was conquered, but not by a foreign force.

It doesn't just one of the earliest settlements location.

Not part of a country, but part of an empire. Same apply to every empire from Rome to Napoleonic France.