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Yes, because the original question was about who had the better carreer, lol.
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This, Robinson was the superior athlete no doubt, but Duncan was/is the superior basketball player.
Yes, because the original question was about who had the better carreer, lol.
Better basketball player, still takes more than 20-30 games to judge. So just stop.
Yes, 20-30 games are way too few to determine skill level, touch, footwrk, anticipation , touch, etc... Right? Don't apply for a scouting gig anytime soon.
Yes, they absolutely are to few games. Hence why there are so many bust. Now kindly off.
Robinson would miss a lot of shots inside but would make up for it with his physical ability. I say duncan, but Robinson helped Duncan thrive more than vice versa though.
Busts? Players are scouted in actual NBA games against top compe ion and then drafted? Good to know. Anyway, you are right, we need to watch entire seasons' worth of live basketball games before we gain the right to evaluate a player's ability to make plays compared to another's. Case closed, moving on.
I never really get the 'talent/skill' debates, so I'm just going to answer which was was better: Tim Duncan.
Give D-Rob his Regular Seasons. Duncan stepped up when it mattered, and he wasn't going from 30/10 seasons to being contained by Felton Spencer and Tom Chambers.
I'd define it as ability to make basketball plays against average compe ion in a game of average importance.
A little taste of David:
https://www.facebook.com/spursuncens...2674209618732/
Define skillset/talent/bball ability?
for me:
Skillset = footwork, outside/inside game, shooting ability, rebounding, defense,
TIM DUNCAN
talent = general ability to play basketball
TIM DUNCAN
bball ability = skillset/talent
TIM DUNCAN
the only thing that Robinson beats Duncan is Athleticism. Robinson was a beast. He would block 3 shots in the same possession without skipping a beat. He could outrun the entire team on a fast break during his prime. He was fun to watch. But he seemed to need some help in crunch time. And that help finally came with Duncan.
But I feel truly blessed to have these two great role models, hall of fame players on my favorite team. Truly amazing
But, the point argument is more valid?!
I watched David live. He was frustrating to watch as often as he was scintillating.
I gave u 5 stats
footwork, yes. David was a better shooter and defender. David is a Bill Russell type defender, maybe greatest ever.
for me:
Skillset = footwork, outside/inside game, shooting ability, rebounding, defense,
TIM DUNCAN
Higher BB IQ, agree.talent = general ability to play basketball
TIM DUNCAN
drob had more natural talent and it's not even close. Tim makes-up with fundamentals.bball ability = skillset/talent
TIM DUNCAN
Tim could go 10-27 in a game seven because of Tony &Manu. Drob had to rely on AJ and Vinney Del Negrothe only thing that Robinson beats Duncan is Athleticism. Robinson was a beast. He would block 3 shots in the same possession without skipping a beat. He could outrun the entire team on a fast break during his prime. He was fun to watch. But he seemed to need some help in crunch time. And that help finally came with Duncan.
But I feel truly blessed to have these two great role models, hall of fame players on my favorite team. Truly amazing
Duncan had to carry Terry Porter, Antonio Daniels, Danny Ferry, Steve Smith, and Mark Bryant as starters in the playoffs too.
Tim is the better basketball player. I'd even say Ice was a better basketball player. I love David, but imo he was a tremendous athlete that played basketball.
Not sure if 6 would have changed anything.
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David was somewhat mechanical in his game and lacks spontaneousness aspect, those hinder his talent when it matter, Tim feel for the game, pure skills and iq, ability to play PF, gracefull inside outside game give him more bball ability...
I love Ice, but no way he's better than David. Better scorer? For sure. But he's not better in any other aspect of the game.
D-Rob, MJ, Shaq, Lebron, are the most talented players I've ever seen. These four had dominating physical gifts (that they sometimes relied too heavily on) combined with the skill to use those gifts. Tim is one of the most skilled players I've ever seen and a top 5 compe or as well; along with MJ, Bird, Kobe, Gino. To put it another way Tim is considered one of the best bigs to ever run the floor because Tim runs the floor hard every play not because he's particularly fast. D-Rob was one of the greatest big runners because he was the fastest guy on the court.
Robinson was hurt by the era he played. Dude was a finesse big in the time of smash-mouth. What Detroit did to Tim in '05 David had game in and game out. Admiral was at the top of the FTs attempted list year after year not because he flopped or tried to draw contact, but because teams would hammer him as this was the only viable defensive strategy. And because it was the 90s he probably didn't get to the line as much as he should have, flagrants weren't called enough, and every team had four or five goons to throw at him.
The other thing that hurts D-Rob is the talent and organization around him. In his first season, the Strickland pass year, Spurs only made like 50 threes and shot less than 25% on 3-point attempts. And yet the Spurs were one of the highest scoring teams in the league at the time largely thanks to Robinson. The 3-point situation never got a whole lot better, contrasted with Dream who was surrounded by great shooters, D-Rob never had a chance. Strickland, the best pg David played with, fueded publicly with the teams dumbass owner and left in free agency for nothing. Terry mings the best 4-man to play with David (before Tim) blew out his ACL in a pickup game in '92. Elliott was traded for Denis the Menace. The head coaches chair looked more like a revolving door with like 6 coaches in 8 years. And ownership was more interested in selling the team than actually putting a winning product on the floor.
All of this and the Spurs were still a top regular season team every year because of David. For this reason I think Admiral's leadership is also criminally underrated. Robinson's early years actually mirror Jordan's in a lot of ways; and just like MJ, D-Rob needed a Pippen. Except he never got a Pippen. Instead he got one of the 5 greatest to play the game. And because of age, injuries, and a willingness to put team before individual needs Robinson played Robin to Tim's Batman. But make no mistake, in his prime, the Admiral was one of the most incredible talents to ever touch a basketball.
We are so lucky as Spurs fans to be able to have this conversation. I was there in person for DRob's 1st game ever against the Lakers and rooted my heart out for him his entire career. David Robinson was one of the most elite athletes to ever walk the earth, and he used that ability to be one of the greatest basketball players of all time, and yet he was fairly limited in terms of the offensive basketball skills that matter for a big man. The comparison between TD and DR is close, but for me it is decided by this factor. Robinson did not have a consistent and dependable set of post moves which kept him from being a dependable "go to" option in crunch time. That was during an era of basketball where that skillset was more important than it is now.
By contrast, Tim Duncan is an elite athlete, but not an all time great athelete like Robinson was. What TD immediately brought to San Antonio was a mastery of historically proven "Big Man" skills. Tim ALWAYS held the ball up high and avoided having the ball stripped or fumbling the ball as Robinson often did. TD had an array of post moves, most of which resulted in easy buckets or soft misses off the rim that were prime for put backs. Because of his superior post play Duncan also could generate offense better by passing out of the post. This was the foundation of an offense that allowed lesser role players to thrive. Guys like Antonio Daniels, Derek Anderson, Devin Brown, etc etc and the list goes on.
One final factor is that TD is a brutally fierce compe or while DRob was the ultimate gentleman. I think TDs compe ive fire is a significant advantage for him and his teams that helped not only fire him up but also keep his m in line.
My vote goes to Duncan.
that team win cuz of the Twin Towers, period!
great post!
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