Bill Walton also was ting on the nation's number one team as a freshman. Wilt sonned NBA player as a highschool senior in Summer ball.
Kareem used to get his ass handed to him by Moses & never beat Moses despite having a superior team (0-2 vs. Moses in the postseason). Old ass Wilt also outplayed him in the le clincher when the Lakers beat the Bucks.
Ranking 10 is hard, it becomes a battle for who gets 6-10
My five are
Jordan
Johnson
Jabbar
Olajuwon
O'Neal
You get into players who never repeated after that and some who repeated but their stats don't stack up too well or too early to tell (Kobe, James, etc)
^ TheGreat got's takes.
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Most cats had problems with Moses. Dude was just a monster. And Wilt was a freak as well. Could have easily continued his career.
So you have shaq at 5, never played D, not that great a rebounder for his size, could not be counted on down the stretch cause of free throws and a team killer at the end of his career? And let's not forget got away with murder knocking players over and out of the way. Just the biggest kid at the playground.
There is no doubt. He didn't have the benefit of being on stacked teams like Bird and Magic. Dude could play ball.
I remember Bird's ISU team barely beating Moncrief and Arkansas to make the Final Four.
But yet according to everyone & their mama Kareem is untouchable. Dude never won a chip w/o a top 10 All-Time player but yet people want to clown Wilt for losing to the Celtics w/o have a wingman as good as Magic/Oscar. He also got sonned by Elvin Hayes in Game of the Century when he was supposed to be the most dominant player in NCAA history & constantly brags nobody was able to block his sky hook when old ass Wilt was swatting his shyt to the 10th row. Kareem has just as many urban legends as Wilt.
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He was the Gary Payton of his era.
I don't really get that one.
For those of you not familiar with Moncrief...have you heard of Dr. J???
Well take a look at what Sir Sid does to him in a one on one game...
Are we not talking about Moncrief who was the closest thing to Gary Payton in the 80s? (I'm talking about their NBA careers not college)
I think we are. I just didn't get the Gary Payton comparison. Other than they were both great 2 way players. Sydney was an SG and much more athletic than Payton. Not that Payton was a bad athlete. I just don't think of their games as similar.
That's why I put him below Hakeem, despite having better achievements.
If Tim's not in your top 10, maybe even top 5 at this point, you're a hater.
kinda noticed you threw in the game of the century which the Bruins lost by two points. Jabbar had an eye injury and had a game. When his eye was right, they met Houston again and the Bruins won by 32 when it really mattered - in the NCAA TOURNAMENT. Do the math. Bad eye: lose by two. Good eye: s on Houston.
And Jabbar was responsible for that 1971 le with the Bucks. The Big O hadn't won anything up until that point he got with Kareem. Big O was on the down side of his career, avg'd a dub while Jabbar was dropping 31 and 16 a night. Robertson needed Jabbar more than vice versa. And since we're playing that he never won without a top ten teammates, and Jabbar is probably top three, how many les Magic win without a top ten teammate? I think Jabbar was on the squad for every one of his les.
As as far as Wilt, everyone knew he was a freak. A couple cats blocked the skyhook but more people got the business from that shot than blocked it consistently. And back then, the players voted for the MVP of the league. His peers thought hew as the best player in the game. Even when the Lakers didn't make the playoffs, his peers still voted him the MVP of the league. I wouldn't have but they did. Says a lot.
have him in the 6-8 range. Easily top 10.
Kareem ONLY ed about the eye injury after he got his ass handed to him (he never gave credit to his opponent & was a sore loser). WTF does a scratched cornea have to do w/ playing defense? The Cougar were a big underdog against the Bruins who came in w/ a 47 game winning streak so the 2 point win was a huge upset. In the rematch the Bruins doubled & triple teamed Hayes so Kareem wouldn't get his ass dug out.
Kareem/Magic got fat feasting off a weak conference when they had a super team ala the Heat. They basically got a cakewalk to the Finals every season & the refs bailed them out in the 88 Finals otherwise those chip counts would be lower by at least one. I don't rank Magic as a top 5 player b/c he got outplayed by Kevin Johnson in crunch time during his MVP season (89-90) & couldn't compete w/ Jordan in the 91 Finals when he was All-NBA 1st team. His solo career was no better than Kidd's career w/ the Nets.
Players I'm ranking over Magic (only post-merger stars need apply):
Jordan
Wilt (Didn't play post-merger but he played against Kareem)
Tim
Hakeem
Moses
Shaq
Lew Alcindor
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 10-16-2015 at 07:48 AM.
1. Dad Killer
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Shaq
5. Kobe
6. Aids
7. Olajuwon
8. Garnett/Nowitzki
10. Bird(only including him so I don't get 100 notifications from White posters, tbh)
Jordan
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Tim
Olajuwon
Big O
West
There are a lot of good arguments that Magic was better than Jordan. For one thing, Magic was a true PG despite being 3 inches taller than Jordan.
Magic was a better PG (height is actually an ADVANTAGE b/c he can see over the defense) but Jordan was eons better as a defender/scorer. Even then in the 91 Finals Jordan had 57 assist/18 TOs meanwhile Magic had 62 assists/22 TOs & it was the Lakers frontline sonning the Bulls frontline in Gm 1 that prevented a Bulls sweep. Magic himself has said Jordan is the GOAT.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 10-16-2015 at 05:38 PM.
The Western Conference in the 80s was a cakewalk, 5 seeds were like 42-40, but then you go and put Wilt second when he was guarded by 6’6” white guys. I just used your logic and made your argument look pretty stupid. That’s the dumbest excuse in the world. Because Magic and the Lakers lost to the Suns, he’s not top five, where everyone else and their mother has him top five. Utterly stupid. He was on a super squad. So was Bird. Head to head when it mattered. Magic 2 Bird 1. And could have been easily 3-0 (1984). Lakers 3 wins by 18+ avg. Boston 4 wins avg around 7. After everything Erv did from 1980-1989, one bad series and he’s out? Crackish. Going into Philly as a rookie and dropping 42/15 and 7 eats up 1990.
OK, by that dumb ass logic, Tim is not top ten because he was ted on in one series by Kobe and Shaquille, who you have ranked under him. That’s how crackheadish your argument sound?
Then you try to dismiss that game that really mattered, the le game in which Hayes gathered a whopping 5 rebounds??? THIS IS THE FINAL FOUR TO GET TO THE MONEY GAME. His guards had more rebounds than him. UCLA didn’t make every shot. He coulda got rebounds on the defensive end.
19 and 18 and a good eye will destroy 10 and 5 when it matters most. The Money Game. Game of the Century, streak broken. Was a big deal. 32 point turd stomping when the money is on the line. Lol @ ed about the eye injury. Dude showed up with the covered, took it off and still played. They didn’t think the cat was gonna ball.
Cap will have that 1-3 spot sewn up by the majority of people.
Last edited by Ashy Larry; 10-16-2015 at 06:00 PM.
They put that 6’7”-6’8” Scottie on Erv and it was a wrap. Can’t dismiss Magic because he lost to the Bulls. They shouldn’t have even been there that year. Blazers clearly were a better squad in 1991.
Magic got outplayed by Kevin Johnson in crunch time during his MVP season in 89-90. Jordan couldn't be stopped no matter what they did on defense, he sliced them up finding the open man when they tried to trap him & he got buckets when they tried to play him straight up. Magic was out of commission once they put a guy his own size. The Blazers got their ass handed to them courtesy of Jordan in 92 anyways.
I got him up there but not in the top 5.Duncan in a top 5
1. MJ
2. Magic
3. Kareem
4. Bird
5. Wilt
6. Timmay
7. Hakeem
8. Kobe
9. Russell
10. Shaq
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