Spurs +/- Net Rating with Kawhi and Parker On/Off the Court

[Silver&Black]

Thanks for the breaking new OP. I'm certain that this horse hasn't been beat to death by now....

[K...]

This is not a bashing or d*ck riding thread, just pure facts,

Did you just bash me?

[YGWHI]

Thanks for the breaking new OP. I'm certain that this horse hasn't been beat to death by now....

Pelton tweeted about two Spurs' players yesterday and nobody should make a thread or talk about it...yep...it makes sense.

[Silver&Black]

Pelton tweeted about two Spurs' players yesterday and nobody should make a thread or talk about it...yep...it makes sense.

So let me get this straight. The Spurs' net rating was better with Kawhi on the court and Parker off the court....again shocking news.

Needing a tweet clarification....When it is something that 99.9% of us could tell be watching the games last year.

[YGWHI]

So let me get this straight. The Spurs' net rating was better with Kawhi on the court and Parker off the court....again shocking news.

Needing a tweet clarification....When it is something that 99.9% of us could tell be watching the games last year.

Not need a "tweet clarification"...I know the Spurs' net rating was better with Kawhi but I had not read the real numbers until yesterday

[YGWHI]

When it is something that 99.9% of us could tell be watching the games last year.

So watching the games you knew that was +16 Net Rt and not other number. Amazing.

[TheDoctor]

So let me get this straight. The Spurs' net rating was better with Kawhi on the court and Parker off the court....again shocking news.

Needing a tweet clarification....When it is something that 99.9% of us could tell be watching the games last year.

So watching the games you knew that was +16 Net Rt and not other number. Amazing.

Exactly, not everyone is f*cking Skynet.

[random21]

Pelton ting on Parker fans....

[Silver&Black]

Not need a "tweet clarification"...I know the Spurs' net rating was better with Kawhi but I had not read the real numbers until yesterday

Tony Parker was god awful last year. TBQH...he's not even worthy of a thread at this point. With the way he played it would be like making a Matt Bonner thread.

When somebody makes a thread with his name in the le....this is exactly what happens. A bunch of short bus references and porker name calling is all. I don't need some tweet to tell me what I can see with my own two eyes.

And btw....I don't think this is the first time I've seen these stats. Pretty sure they've been posted before. Actually, I think it was a 3 charts showing every single players offensive rating, defensive rating, and net rating with all of their teammates on/off the court.

[Spurtacular]

I think Parker may need to take a Ginobili role: 20-25 mpg. I don't see it happening though.

[rastaspur]

Those stats just confirm the obvious. This shouldn't come as a surprise to a rational person

[FkLA]

This is not a bashing or d*ck riding thread, just pure facts, straight outta NBA per Kevin Pelton. One of the best NBA analyst out there may I say.

Here's to Tony and wishing he regains some of his game.

but that MVPorker effect though

[FkLA]

These are things we know. remember that stat last year where it showed the spurs were basically the Sacramento Kings with Parker on the court. He's literally the only thing that stands between us and the perfect season

Tony Parker

You can find columns addressing his many issues here, here and here. The TL;DR version is that, excellent three-point shooting aside, Parker hasn't been himself this season. He has a negative net rating (-2.6, in fact), the worst defensive rating for any rotation player besides Marco Belinelli, a below-average PER of 14.9 (worse than Cory Joseph's). Most worrying, he's been worse than a replacement-level player, according to basketball-reference.com. When Parker's been off the floor, the Spurs have an Offensive Rating of 105.4 and a Defensive Rating of 96.3, numbers that would trail only the Warriors. With Parker on the floor however, the Spurs are essentially the Sacramento Kings.

As a playmaker, the "pass" button seems to be stuck on Parker's controller. His assist-to-turnover ratio is 1.94, which would be the second-lowest of his career and is absolutely miserable for a point guard. He has totaled 44 fewer assists than Manu Ginobili in 45 fewer minutes. As a scorer, Parker's getting to rim less than ever, just 24.4 percent of his shots coming at the rim and 44.4 overall in the paint. He's averaging just 2.4 free throw attempts per game. Parker has yet to regain his quickness since hurting his hamstring and it's a fair question whether he ever will. Remember, he's already 32 and more dependent on his athleticism than Ginobili or Tim Duncan ever were. It's quite possible he'll age in dog years compared to his "Big Three" brethren because he doesn't have that ethereal level of savviness as a "Plan B," that they've shown.

It's worth remembering that Parker wasn't very good last year either, certainly not over the second half of that season and then in the postseason. The Spurs won it all anyway, memorably with Parker sidelined in the second halves of clinchers versus Portland and at Oklahoma City. But he wasn't this bad, and it's doubtful in the extreme that the Spurs can mount any kind of meaningful le defense with him in his current state. It's gotten to the point where I feel a bit relieved when Joseph or Patty Mills subs in for him.

but he's a Spur legend, leave him alone